Hello,

I think if we have to make this change, the bahviour of the client should be 
stated. For now, a client cannot expect to gets its own presence.
What is the desired behaviour when it can expect to receive its own presence ? 
What should happen if it never receive it ? Should it disconnect ? Can it wait 
synchronously forever ?

I also seconds Rachel point: How do we stage such a change if we do it ? There 
are many servers and clients out there ? How can we change the standard without 
disrupting the production ?

I do not have definitive answer, but stability is also important.

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Mickael Rémond

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