Dave Cridland wrote:

... and Keith suggestion works the other way around - the client *is* a participant, but makes everyone else invisible to it.

There is also a room configuration option to not send presence for various roles and affiliations.

It'd be interesting to see if it's worth offering control of a range of traffic, or whether we should just implement Keith's suggestion more or less as-is.

One thing aimed at Keith in particular, though - I'd much rather not add things to MUC at this point. We can certainly tidy existing practise, and we can of course always extend:

<x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc'>
 <nopresence xmlns='urn:xmpp:tmp:nopresence'/>
</x>

+1 to not changing XEP-0045 -- I'd prefer to push it to Final soon, not tinker with it forever.

Heck, I wonder if certain features in MUC might be better defined in separate specifications (e.g., all the room history handling and the "request a unique room name" feature).

/psa

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