Folks,

I've been trying to follow, and catch up on, a couple of threads recently both on standards@ and jingle@, which appear to both be concerned with the interaction of Jingle and cryptography (both encryption, authentication, and others).

It seems to me from a thread on jingle@ that XEP-0167 (That's Jingle RTP) is moving toward specifying crypto in the terms used by SDP, which seems appropriate at first glance, however what concerns me is that there's a different thread over on standards@ which relates to a more generic crypto-Jingle confluence, moving what's now XEP-0250 to be available within the Jingle (XEP-0166) negotiation, and neither thread appears to have appeared on security@, which is our list for discussing security issues.

I'd like to encourage some kind of cross-talk here, since it looks to me like Dirk Meyer and I are thinking that having "generic security" in Jingle (based primarily around TLS on reliable streams) might be useful, whereas the VOIP crowd hanging out on jingle@ are focused on [S]RTP.

I think this cross-talk ought to happen on security@, since we've various people there who know much more than I do about TLS, DTLS, and SRTP, and the relationship between them, but aren't on either jingle@ or standards@ (as far as I know).

I'd like to get this at least started ASAP, so we don't end up with diverging Jingle security layers.

So, join security@ if you're interested, and I'd like to ask Dirk Meyer to summarize what's been discussed about Jingle file transfer and Jingle xmlstream security, and if someone else could volunteer to summarize the SRTP discussion that happened on jingle@, that's be great.

Or tell me they're not related, and explain why not (with diagrams and pretty pictures). ;-)

Dave.
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