On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:05 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

Fabio Forno wrote:
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jonathan Schleifer
<[email protected]> wrote:

I agree that we need an alternative for privacy lists - but this is
definitely not partial roster retrival‼

And what about partial activation? With partial activation you still
manager the roster as usual, and in a separate iq you set on/off
toggles for each group, at any time of the session.

What is the definition of "activation"? Does that mean I receive
presence only from the groups I have activated, or that outbound
presence notifications are also filtered?

I understand the need for "activation" in the mobile world as a way to limit the initial presence storm, so I would say that "activation" is telling which groups in my roster I am interested in receiving presences from.

I still don't see the case to use "activation" as yet-another-privacy- list mechanism.

So far we have:
* incremental roster retrieval: useful to keep the client-copy of our roster in sync with the server; * roster activation: useful to limit the presence broadcast to selected groups of contacts.

I would add the possibility of <presence type="probe"> to the client side. It would allow clients to "activate" a specific contact.

As for controlling presence-out (aka invisible mode), I don't see any value so far on adding that to the roster protocol.

Best regards,
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Pedro Melo
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