On 30 June 2010 19:29, Philipp Hancke <[email protected]> wrote: > Matthew Wild wrote: > [...] >> >> This is the problem. It has frequently been raised that the probes >> sent by the user's server can be detected by a contact's server (think >> plugins for easily-extensible XMPP servers...) to signal that the user >> is invisible. This issue is/was present in even ICQ, and they don't >> need to handle a federated network. > > Is there a standard way the contact's server can notify the user about the > probe? >
<presence> :) Exactly what kind of presence I was still deciding. Oops, I just slipped out the identify of the hypothetical malicious server developer :) Frankly if I don't do it (and as a developer I can't help but write code and poke holes in other peoples' code) someone else will anyway. >> >> Some people prefer "true" invisibility (no probes) and are willing to >> sacrifice immediate presence (they want to exchange messages with a >> known JID, or they want to join a chatroom). This isn't the same as >> not sending presence, because if you don't send presence then you >> aren't eligible to receive stanzas sent to the bare JID. > > So we need to decouple initial presence and the ability to receive stanzas > sent to the bare jid? > XEP-0186 already does that, essentially. Matthew
