Op 22/08/2012 23:42, Mark Rejhon schreef:
Is this politics-proof:
"TTY (derived from teletypewriter) and text telephones"
I don't like it, but I am going to leave it unmodified (against M&M
wishes) unless there's a consensus.
I agree with gregg. it's history. At this time many deaf poeple haven't
own computer and internet. In USA a litte group of deaf poeple are using
teletypewriter first. some inventer have developed first TTY from
teletypewriter. But many different textphones have own standaards of
campany. In 1988 was V.18 introduced as new standard for all text
phones. This machine was not available at Netherlands. We wait for first
text telephone at 1988.
Edward Tie
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <[email protected]> wrote:
agree
You can say
TTY was derived from Teletypewriter - a device originally used by people who
are deaf to communicate. But today Teletypewriters no longer exist and TTY
is used to refer to a type of telecommunications device used by people who
are deaf that supports Baudot (and sometimes other coding schemes) over
analog phone lines.
that however is probably too much history. but if you are using
Teletypewriter - that would be the \correct way to use it.
Gregg
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Director Trace R&D Center
Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
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University of Wisconsin-Madison
On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Gunnar Hellström <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2012-08-22 22:58, Mark Rejhon wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:42, Mark Rejhon wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Matthew Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
* Teletypewriter (TTY) and Text Device for the Deaf (TDD) telephones
[citations recommended]
Consulted with some peers.
TTY expansion to Teletypewriter -- OK, good idea.
TDD is actually correctly "Telecommunications Device for the Deaf",
but it is deprecated usage right now by most U.S. accessibility
organizations, in favour of TTY. Europeans ofte use "textphones", and
variants thereof.
Also, the phrase "text telephones" is more compatible and
self-explanatory with the European equivalent of TTY, "textphones".
It's somewhat political behind the scenes in the various communities,
so changes to this bullet will need to be done very carefully. I
spent many hours rewording just the Introduction as a result.
Mark Rejhon
That's fine. I accept I operate under obsolete assumptions sometimes (-:
But it's important that all acronyms are expanded the first time they are
used, and even better to include an authoritative citation.
Oh, you might also be remembering I had
... "TTY and text telephones for the deaf".
But I removed "for the deaf", when Peter/Kevin (one or both)
complained about three mentions of the word "deaf" due to the
overemphasis on the word, despite its clear application there. So I
toned it down somewhat, reducing three mentions of "deaf" in
Introduction to just one mention.
I do not think expansion of TTY to Teletypewriter is a good idea. That tends
to mean the other use of the term TTY, the device that was often used as a
computer operator console terminal a long time ago and still lives in
language around such usage.
So TTY in this usage is more " A term used in North America for text
telephones, i.e. devices used for text and audio communication in the PSTN
mainly with deaf and hard-of-hearing persons."
Text telephones or textphones is the international term used by ITU-T ( E.g.
V.18 and F.703 ) 3GPP ( e.g. TS 22.226 )
IETF ( e.g. RFC 4734 ).
Various countries in Europe have different names for the concept in their
national languages, so text telephone is not specifically European.
I hope it is clear by combining TTY with text telephone what it referred to,
so that we do not need to drag in a long descriptions of a peripheral item
into the spec.
Gunnar
