On 25 Jun 2015 18:05, "Kevin Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2015, at 16:59, Dave Cridland <[email protected]> wrote: > > Removing a widely deployed feature doesn't strike me as a viable option. > > Well, if we s/widely deployed/widely required/ then I agree. But not baking something into the MUC2 core doesn’t necessarily mean removing the feature. If we’re going to try to blank-canvas a MUC replacement, I’d like to try and look at options as widely as we can. >
Well, what you're trying to avoid is addressable occupants, correct? That removes private messages, rather than anonymity, I think. Private messages do cause problems in a variety of interesting ways, but equally I find it interesting that they provide me with an immediate indicator of where someone has found me. > For example, (assuming semi-anonymousness is a requirement) is it possible to not require anything other than non-anonymous in MUC2, but discuss (either in spec or out of spec) how one would do anonymising if one wanted to? > > I don’t know. > Maybe the better idea is to look at how chatrooms are actually used, and run UX interviews with people who are regular users. It's not very technical, I admit, but I find it very hard to gauge whether some of these features are desirable or confusing, since I've simply got used to this being the way things work. People keep telling us that Slack has ask these things right, but aside from having a nice user interface and plenty of integration, I'm not clear if there's anything else that makes it a clear winner. > I would like us to Get This Right, though. People have been mumbling about replacing MUC for years, and I’ve always been resistant; the discussions at the summit this year persuaded me that we finally have requirements that MUC1 can’t easily meet, but I really do not want us to do MUC2 now and MUC3 in 2017 to fix the stuff we got wrong in MUC2. > > /K
