Dave,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Standards [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave
> Cridland
> Sent: 16 March 2017 09:10
> To: XMPP Standards
> Subject: Re: [Standards] I propose to remove "Prefer Hidden" from core MIX
> 
> I would like to object to removing user-controlled visibility.
> 
> Of the two visibility controls, I would infinitely prefer to remove the
channel-
> level control, in fact - the notion that the visibility of your jid should
be under
> the control of a third party just seems fundamentally wrong - but I'm
happy
> with it present as long as user-controlled visibility remains.
[Steve Kille] 

I think this is a good argument, and you have convinced me.   I checked with
co-author and we agree that this should stay in MIX core and I will work out
the changes to make it work.

I think having a simple channel model of "JID Visible" and "JID Hidden" is
also valuable, and these will not be removed.


 
> This is fine-grained access control over pubsub items, and I appreciate
the
> complexity involved - but again I'd reiterate that we have already
> implemented this in Openfire, and it's working out fine, so it's clearly
not
> impossible.
[Steve Kille] 

I think it is important to avoid fine grained access control.   I think that
a user should either have rights to see a node or not.    Giving a user
partial visibility of a node is fraught with issues.

I believe that it is reasonably straightforward to sort out Prefer Hidden
without this complex access control.   I will aim to sort in the next MIX
draft.



Steve




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