> On 5 Sep 2017, at 09:27, Kevin Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Together with only accepting messages from entities you’ve sent presence to, 
> this should more or less completely prevent spam,

This seems to be a recurring theme, and I'm not sure I like it. This couples 
presence (and the roster) even more tightly with messaging than it already is. 
I was hoping XMPP could be used purely for messaging in some cases, without 
necessarily having to deal with presence subscriptions (e.g. like Signal)

Guiding clients down the path of (silently) rejecting messages without presence 
kills this use case, even for clients that decide not to do this but still want 
to talk to other clients.  

Remko
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