FWIW, I've been using "Markdown" when I really mean *only* the following:

*bold* (or other strong emphasis)
/italic/ (or other weak emphasis)
`preformat` (or otherwise indicating a command, code, etc and disabling
markup).

I could deal with, but don't care much about:

_underline_
~strikethrough~
```Multilined preformat or even escaping `this` markup```

I defintely could not live with paragraphs, headings, embedded images, and
so on. Those are fine in documents but keep them as far away from IM as
possible.

I'd note that Gajim and probably other clients already support some of the
above markup.


On 14 Oct 2017 18:27, "Goffi" <[email protected]> wrote:

Le samedi 14 octobre 2017, 18:26:01 CEST Dave Cridland a écrit :

> As an example, Goffi has repeatedly and eloquently stated that Markdown
> won't produce a stable rendering of an input document, and therefore is
> totally useless for, for example, the blog-style use he puts XHTML-IM to.
> In fact, XHTML-IM itself is actually too limited for his case - he needs
to
> extend it.

The arguments are valid for instant messaging too, for blogging the case is
already solved as the only implementations I know already use XHTML (but a
new
XEP to detail this and the security consideration would be nice indeed).

So far nobody has objected or answered my points, so I don't see how it
would
be sane to go with any Markdown flavour (even if it's the fashion, we are
talking about long term future proof specifications).

So if there is a consensus to use an alternative to XHTML-IM (is there?),
why
we don't follow my proposal to have a period to propose syntaxes on a wiki
page and show use cases, to finally being able to choose one which really
fit
our needs? This doesn't have to be months, it can be just 2 weeks.

I really have the feeling that people are proposing Markdown because hey
it's
used on Github and Slack (with different flavours) and my client already
implement it (my own client already implement it, and it's the default
syntax
for those saying I don't like it).

But when arguments are exposed showing how it is a bad thing, nobody answer
and people keep saying "hey let's just use Markdown". This really doesn't
seems reasonable.

And to be honest, I'm not the only one proposing alternatives, Creole has
been
mentionned, as well as XML based syntax, or other proposition, but that just
seems ignored.


Goffi
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