A short reminder on Council voting: Council can vote on anything - while a Call For Experience is not a "Status Change" and thus does not require a vote, Council can still vote to ask the Editor to do one. Council members vote either +1 or 0 (the latter is often written signed, and may indicate a leaning), or may veto with -1. A single veto causes the motion to fail; otherwise a majority of the Council must vote +1 for the motion to pass.
1) Roll Call All present, but as Georg arrived Dave had to leave unexpectedly, thus Kev actually chaired. [Speaking personally, many thanks to Kev for taking on this monster meeting at no notice] [ 2) Elided since the lack of a minute-taker was already noted ] 3) CFE for XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0020.html Kev noted the ground rules: Each of these votes has two parts - first whether to Call For Experience before moving to Final, the second to instead deprecate it. This one is for CFE with the intention to later move to Final. Georg queried if this were in use anywhere and noted a number of XEPs which reference it; Kev didn't think it was in use anywhere in practise. Daniel, Georg, Kev all -1 for CFE, Sam +0 4) Deprecate XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0020.html Daniel, Georg, Kev all +1 for Deprecate, Sam +0 5) CFE for XEP-0048: Bookmarks https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html Kev felt this was premature while the ongoing 49/223 mismatch quesiton isn't answered - Georg agreed this was the elephant in the room. Sam felt that a CFE might draw out more feedback. Georg agreed that a CFE, with an additional note about '49, might do the trick. Georg, Daniel, Sam +1 for CFE, Kev 0. 6) Deprecate XEP-0048: Bookmarks https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html All present -1. Kev noted at this point that he would assume anyone +1 for a CFE would be -1 on the Deprecate, to which Georg agreed and nobody dissented. 7) CFE for XEP-0059: Result Set Management https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html Georg and Kev both raised the current MAM discussion, and felt that we should resolve that prior to a CFE. Georg, Kev -1, Sam Daniel +1 8) Deprecate XEP-0059: Result Set Management https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html All present -1 ** Stalemate ** 9) CFE for XEP-0066: Out of Band Data https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html Daniel asked what this was actually used for, and Georg replied it was used for inline images in conversations, and suggested it might be harvested for good parts. Kev opined that the CFE might be interesting on this one. All present +1 10) Deprecate XEP-0066: Out of Band Data https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html All present -1 11) CFE for XEP-0072: SOAP Over XMPP https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html Kev suggested that a CFE might make it obvious whether deprecation was the right option. Sam -1, Georg, Kev, Daniel +1 12) Deprecate XEP-0072: SOAP Over XMPP https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html Georg, Daniel, Kev -1, Sam +1 ** Stalemate ** 13) CFE for XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0079.html Kev +1, Daniel, Georg, +0, Sam -0 (Some question, here, over voting practises regarding CFE - note above that the Council may vote on anything). 14) Deprecate XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0079.html Kev felt that '79 needed some discussion in the community first, even if this were not a formal CFE. Daniel, Georg, and Kev -1, Sam +1. 15) CFE for XEP-0092: Software Version https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html All present +1 16) Deprecate XEP-0092: Software Version https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html All present -1 17) CFE for XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html Georg, Daniel, Kev +1, Sam +0 18) Deprecate XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html Kev, Daniel, Georg -1, Sam +1 19) CFE for XEP-0131: Stanza Headers and Internet Metadata https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0131.html Georg, Daniel, Kev +1, Sam +0 20) Deprecate XEP-0131: Stanza Headers and Internet Metadata https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0131.html Kev, Daniel, Georg -1, Sam +0 21) CFE for XEP-0141: Data Forms Layout https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0141.html Georg said he was in favour of deprecation, but only after some discussion. Daniel, Georg, Kev +1, Sam -0 22) Deprecate XEP-0141: Data Forms Layout https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0141.html Daniel, Georg, Kev -1, Sam +0 23) CFE for XEP-0229: Stream Compression with LZW https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0229.html Sam noted he thought he had written an implementation of this for HipChat (but it may have been gzip). Georg noted the insecurities around compression if it is not applied very cautiously. Daniel, Kev, Sam +1 Georg -0 24) Deprecate XEP-0229: Stream Compression with LZW https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0229.html Daniel, Kev -1, Sam +0, Georg +1 (Dave rejoined here) 25) XEP-0045: Implement stable IDs on Reflection #600 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/600 Kev queried the feature string used, Georg suggested it was "muc_stable_id" to match legacy cases in the XEP, but Kev thought existing cases used the old URL form. Kev and Georg agreed to resolve properly after the meeting. All present +1 26) XEP-0153: Clarify encoding of update hash #593 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/593 All present +1 27) Date of next meeting Same time next week: Wednesday 14th March, 1600 UTC 28) AOB? Sam asked that anything we voted on today and ended up with no consensus to advance or deprecate be added to the agenda for next meeting. Kev suggested these could be discussed on the list, and Dave said he would highlight these in the minutes (in these minutes, marked "Stalemate") 29) Kev hung the navel. _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org _______________________________________________
