https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2021-06-23?p=h#2021-06-23-cbe6c0e418e34c85
1) Roll Call Present: Jonas, Daniel, Zash Late: Dave Absent: Georg 2) Agenda Bashing Jonas recommends random outbursts during the meeting. 3) Editor's Update * Compliance Suites 2022 accepted as XEP-0459 4) Items for voting None. 5) Pending Votes Georg, Dave, and Zash, on PR #1064; Dave voted on-list, earlier [1], on Deprecate and Obsolete XEP-0423 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020): +1 (definitely deprecate, and absolutely obsolete) Dave notes that PR #1064 has been updated in response to his feedback - Zash ponders the legality of updating a PR during the voting period - Jonas thinks it would technically need another vote. Dave would like the PR to be discussed on-list to see other server developers' opinions - Jonas notes that it was already posted to the list [2], but nobody seemed to care, so is unsure what can be improved. 6) Date of Next 2021-06-30 1500 UTC 5') Pending Votes (PR #1064 Discussion) Jonas presumes that Dave will veto the old version, so there can be another vote, but should list discussion be encouraged (again) first - Dave doesn't think there's much more to do be done when it was already posted on-list, but wonders whether that means people care either way. Dave suspects the PR is fine, but isn't sure that encouraging the plaintext password field is going to annoy other server developers, or maybe they don't care, or even welcome the changes. Jonas is sure that Prosody will get an implementation, so if nobody else cares then having MattJ taking care of that seems sensible. Daniel doesn't think the PR sounds very controversial - Dave asks what would happen with another server's implementation - Jonas thinks a namespace bump is the right tool for that; Zash thinks the namespace has already changed many times. Dave isn't against the PR, but has no feel for what the Community feels as a whole - Jonas says feedback can't be forced, but known server developers could be poked - Dave agrees that it can't be forced, but it would be nice to get some support for changing a Draft XEP. Daniel explains that such changes are welcome and overdue; conversations.im considered offering import/export to users, but it was held back by XEP-0227 (Portable Import/Export Format for XMPP-IM Servers) not being modern enough, and this PR fixes exactly those problems - Jonas thinks that would have been great as feedback. Jonas prefers an unopposed and unsupported change on a Draft XEP to yet another Experimental rewrite XEP - as does Dave, but support from other server developers would be great - Jonas thinks they can be poked, and a re-vote is needed anyway. Dave has poked Guus (for Openfire); Jonas has poked Holger (for ejabberd.) 7) AOB Sam has poked Editor for a Last Call on XEP-0292 (vCard4 Over XMPP). Sam also requests that Council will Obsolete XEP-0072 (SOAP Over XMPP) at their earliest convenience - Dave thinks soap is still quite important, given the COVID situation. 8) Close Thanks everyone. [1] https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-June/038384.html [2] https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-June/038338.html
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