A work-in-progress pull request is here:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1301
On 11/30/23 9:01 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
On 11/30/23 1:55 AM, Guus der Kinderen wrote:
Thanks Peter,
The improvements look good to me. I've left some minor feedback inline.
Great. One comment at the end.
> > As for the applicability: much (all?) of the violations
that I
> witnessed
> > are simple spamming or abusive behaviours in MUC rooms. The
> definition
> > of desired vs undesirable behaviour that's in this
document can
> help in
> > those cases, but the process on section 5 is less
applicable. I
> doubt
> > that this document intends to make moderators of a room go
through a
> > procedure of Reporting to the Conduct Team, prior to
issuing a ban.
> > Should this document more explicitly allow for action to
be taken
> > outside of the procedure defined in section 5?
>
> Yes, it should. I'll think about this, as well, and propose
text in a
> future message.
>
>
> I think that there are occasions where an immediate action is
warranted,
> and should be taken by those with the capacity to do so;
moderators
> banning people from chatrooms is one case, though there are other
cases.
> We should ensure that these actions are easily undone. (bans
can be
> dropped, gaffer tape removed from - oh, wait, what was I saying?)
I suggest that we add a separate section 5.5 to address this point.
Here
is proposed text:
###
5.5 Situations Requiring Immediate Action
The foregoing process assumes that there is time for reporting,
consideration, and well-reasoned decision-making "in a quiet hour".
However, two very different kinds of situation might require
immediate
action:
1. Clearly offensive but somewhat minor behaviour, such as "drive-by"
comments in online chatrooms.
2. Behaviour that poses a clear and present threat of physical harm,
such as a fist-fight at an in-person event.
In both situations, venue moderators are empowered to take immediate
action (in the first example, banning the sender from a chatroom; in
the
second example, breaking up a fight or calling building security).
However, the actions of venue moderators are always subject to
appeal.
Do you mean this as _examples_ of situations requiring immediate
action, or is this intended as the full collection of any situation in
which immediate action is covered under the XEP? Making it more
explicit that these are examples may give us a bit of flexibility in
applying the CoC in unforeseen situations.
Well, "such as" is equivalent to "for example", but I'll change it so
that it's easier for non-native speakers to understand. :-)
Peter
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