On Tuesday, 27 August 2024 13:35:15 GMT+2 Nicolas Cedilnik wrote:
> > Is there any reason why there is currently no fallback mechanism in
> > XEP-0444?
> 
> It gets rapidly messy in groups. One of the values of emoji reactions is 
> to improve signal to noise in large groups, and non-supporting clients 
> will have a ton of noise with fallbacks. There are also other 
> not-so-edge cases that are annoying to handle: reaction to attachments, 
> modification of reactions.
 
I agree. However, I don't think we can have a non-messy fallback, as a single 
<message> stanza may only contain a single reaction. The alternative is that 
the users are completely unaware that something was communicated to them - 
which is much worse than being messy. It's akin to messages being dropped, 
IMO.

> That said, I think in 1:1 chat it would be quite reasonable to include a 
> fallback, as the signal to noise ratio is not an issue there. Again, 
> XEP-0444 does not forbid it, it's a up to client (and gateways ;)) 
> developers.

Maybe it's only my use case, but I often use MUCs containing just one other 
person for content separation: for example a separate MUC for sending memes, 
that can be easily muted, and another one for more urgent stuff.

Do we have any XEP to indicate that a message should be a silent one, i.e., 
that the client should not issue a notification? MS Teams has @silent 
messages.

- MM

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