Ralph. Good afternoon. Thank you for this valuable information.
I will read it thoroughly and exlore it further. I also want to mention, that Activity Streams might also be useful to handle with what is called "reactions"; and, thereby, provide a better classification of comments, and further ease to develop XMPP publishing client software. Regards, Schimon On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:27:21 +0100 Ralph Meijer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Sure, feel free to create a XEP for this. As was mentioned before, in > principle, an activity streams event would just hold an Atom entry, > so you need to consider what you want to put in the new XEP. > > In our system (anyMeta), we had an existing framework for > representing "things" connected to other "things" using edges with a > predicate. Very semantic web like. The activity streams for events in > those websites, as well as the interactive installations tied to > them, were a natural extension. We used "pubsub-as-node" here, so > notifications to subscribers were just emitted as a side effect of > events in the system. No explicit publish action in terms of an XMPP > protocol action, but rather an API call to the service that talked to > the XMPP network (anyxmpp). > > Here are some debug logs of when I was testing back then, formatted > for easier reading. The first stanza is for an RFID reader in an > interactive "voting wall" being coupled to a specific answer (so that > a tag read there would cause the person tied to the tag to put in > vote for the answer). For reference A3Q5ULX3 is a specific RFID > reader, and "Nog een antwoord" an answer. > > 2011-01-10 09:26:27+0100 [-] SEND (0): " > <message to="localhost" from="dwaal.local"> > <event xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub#event";> > <items node="activity"> > <item id="activity/299"> > <entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";> > <published>2011-01-10T09:26:26+01:00</published> > <updated>2011-01-10T09:26:26+01:00</updated> > <id>http://dwaal.local/activity/299</id> > <title type="html">Ralph Meijer made a link from A3Q5ULX3 > to Nog een antwoord.</title> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/id/135"; type="text/html" > rel="alternate"/> > <verb > xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2010/activitystreams/link-to</verb> > <object xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";> > <id > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>http://dwaal.local/id/135</id> > <object-type>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/artefact</object-type> > <title xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>Nog een > antwoord</title> > <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > href="http://dwaal.local/id/135"; rel="alternate"/> > </object> > <target xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";> > <id > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>http://dwaal.local/id/117</id> > <object-type>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/artefact</object-type> > <title > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>A3Q5ULX3</title> <link > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; href="http://dwaal.local/id/117"; > rel="alternate"/> </target> > <author> > <id>http://dwaal.local/id/80</id> > <object-type > xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/person</object-type> > <title>Ralph Meijer</title> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/id/80"; rel="alternate"/> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/image/432/96-192-192.jpg"; > rel="enclosure"/> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/figure/80"; rel="figure"/> > <name>Ralph Meijer</name> > <uri>http://dwaal.local/id/80</uri> > </author> > </entry> > </item> > </items> > </event> > </message> > " > > The second example is for a person registring an ikTag (personal RFID > tag): > > https://www.mediamatic.net/image/2016/12/13/undefined-760108413.jpg%28mediaclass-list-image.e236162578feb619104a8b70b221afe1aa6b7c0d%29.jpg > > 2011-01-07 10:53:32+0100 [-] Routing to localhost: u" > <message to="localhost" from="dwaal.local"> > <event xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub#event";> > <items node="activity"> > <item id="activity/292"> > <entry xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";> > <published>2011-01-07T10:53:31+01:00</published> > <updated>2011-01-07T10:53:31+01:00</updated> > <id>http://dwaal.local/activity/292</id> > <title type="html">Ralph Meijer connected an ikTag to > their account.</title> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/id/80"; type="text/html" > rel="alternate"/> > <verb > xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2010/activitystreams/iktag</verb> > <object xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";> > <id > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>http://dwaal.local/id/80</id> > <object-type>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/person</object-type> > <title xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>Ralph > Meijer</title> <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > href="http://dwaal.local/id/80"; rel="alternate"/> > <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > href="http://dwaal.local/image/432/96-192-192.jpg"; rel="enclosure"/> > <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > href="http://dwaal.local/figure/80"; rel="figure"/> > </object> > <author> > <id>http://dwaal.local/id/80</id> > <object-type > xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/person</object-type> > <title>Ralph Meijer</title> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/id/80"; rel="alternate"/> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/image/432/96-192-192.jpg"; > rel="enclosure"/> > <link href="http://dwaal.local/figure/80"; rel="figure"/> > <name>Ralph Meijer</name> > <uri>http://dwaal.local/id/80</uri> > </author> > <agent xmlns="http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/";> > <id > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>http://dwaal.local/id/105</id> > <object-type > xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/";>http://mediamatic.nl/ns/anymeta/2008/kind/person</object-type> > <title xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom";>ikCam Agent</title> > <link xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > href="http://dwaal.local/id/105"; rel="alternate"/> > </agent> > </entry> > </item> > </items> > </event> > </message> > " > > > > On 11/11/2025 14.27, Schimon Jehudah wrote: > > This is great! > > > > It was a good read. I will read it again, more thoroughly. > > > > Shall we create a new XEP for Atom Activity Streams? > > > > I think, that doing so would definitely be an incentive to the > > developers of Friendica to extend support for XMPP. > > > > I have forwarded your message to Friendica. > > > > https://github.com/friendica/friendica/issues/15306 > > > > Schimon > > > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:55:14 +0100 > > Ralph Meijer<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Everything old is new. I've worked on this quite extensively at > >> Mediamatic in 2008-2011. Have a look at > >> <https://ralphm.net/blog/2011/02> and > >> <https://ralphm.net/publications/fosdem_2011/>. > >> > >> On 11 November 2025 10:13:41 CET, Schimon Jehudah<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> Good day > >>> > >>> I have elaborated about it to the Movim project. > >>> > >>> https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/1488 > >>> > >>> And I have two additional rationals. > >>> > >>> * Utilizing Activity Streams would allow to set icons and photos > >>> to Atom Over XMPP feeds, which is currently not possible because > >>> Atom Over XMPP only include element"atom:entry", and does not > >>> include element"atom:feed". > >>> > >>> * Utilizing Activity Streams would also to set a different icon > >>> and photo representations by *context* (e.g. family, sports, > >>> traveling, exploring, et cetera). > >>> > >>> And this is an argument for future concerns. > >>> > >>> * As with Atom Over XMPP (XEP-0277 and XEP-0472), some people > >>> might justly ask for RSS Over XMPP; and adopting Atom Activity > >>> Streams would significantly assist in refuting an argument to add > >>> a new XEP for RSS Over XMPP. > >>> > >>> Kindly, > >>> Schimon > >>> > >>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 08:36:38 +0200 > >>> Schimon Jehudah<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Good day. > >>>> > >>>> I have explored the "Atom Activity Streams" documents of > >>>> Friendica. https://activitystrea.ms/specs/atom/1.0/ I have > >>>> further added rendering capabilities to an RSS extension. > >>>> https://greasyfork.org/scripts/465932-newspaper-syndication-feed-reader > >>>> Proposal -------- Since Atom Activity Streams documents can be > >>>> delivered as a single "atom:entry" element, as so with XMPP > >>>> PubSub Node Items; then, it might be beneficial to mention "Atom > >>>> Activity Streams" in the XEP specifications of Atom Over XMPP > >>>> (XEP-0277 and XEP-0472). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rational > >>>> -------- > >>>> > >>>> Even though, as it seems, an Atom Activity Streams document is, > >>>> as with Atom Over XMPP, a single"atom:entry" element, with a > >>>> couple of XML namespaces, this would stimulate people to: > >>>> > >>>> * Utilize XMPP PubSub Node Items in an independent fashion, > >>>> without compiling an Atom Syndication Format document; and > >>>> > >>>> * Consider interoperability with Friendica and other platforms > >>>> that produce Atom Activity Streams documents, and also Json > >>>> Activity Streams documents, which Nostr utilizes. > >>>> > >>>> * Consider interoperability of projects with XMPP. > >>>> > >>>> * Motivate projects, such as Friendica to extend support of XMPP. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> XML Namespace > >>>> ------------- > >>>> > >>>> The namespaces that are utilized by Friendica, and may be > >>>> relevant, are: > >>>> > >>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"; > >>>> xmlns:at="http://purl.org/atompub/tombstones/1.0"; > >>>> xmlns:activity="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/"; > >>>> xmlns:dfrn="http://purl.org/macgirvin/dfrn/1.0"; > >>>> xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss"; > >>>> xmlns:media="http://purl.org/syndication/atommedia"; > >>>> xmlns:ostatus="http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0"; > >>>> xmlns:poco="http://portablecontacts.net/spec/1.0"; > >>>> xmlns:statusnet="http://status.net/schema/api/1/"; > >>>> xmlns:thr="http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0"; > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sample > >>>> ------ > >>>> > >>>> Herein attached an Atom Activity Streams document. Source: > >>>> > >>>> https://my-place.social/display/feed-item/107999490.atom > >>>> https://my-place.social/display/1c9fc4fa-f51b9f6f654d0bd7-7c3a0251 > >>>> https://piaille.fr/@movim/115519544289510132 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> Schimon > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Standards mailing list [email protected] > >>> To unsubscribe send an email [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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