On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:07 PM David Lang via Starlink <[email protected]> wrote: > > Also, they didn't say that SpaceX was cutting service or stopping funding it, > they just said that they aren't going to continue to provide the service for > free indefinantly and are not going to keep providing lots of dishes for free > (apparently there are around 500/month being destroyed due to combat)
Meanwhile, oleg repairs shot up or broken terminals with what spare parts he can scrounge. https://twitter.com/olegkutkov > David Lang > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, David Lang wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:35:20 -0700 (PDT) > > From: David Lang <[email protected]> > > To: Larry Press <[email protected]> > > Cc: Kurtis Heimerl <[email protected]>, David Lang <[email protected]>, > > Starlink list <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? > > > > some interesting tidbits in that article > > > > 1. 25k dishes rather than the 15k I had heard befor > > 2. they are providing full business rates rather than consumer rates > > 2a. it's interesting that they can do this with the consumer dishes, > > although > > a lot of what I saw shipped were the gen1 (round) dishes, which may be > > better > > than the gen 2 consumer dishes. > > > > yes, the companies who manufacture the weapons have been paid in full. > > > > I think it's worth pointing out that Starlink was never intended to be the > > entire communications infrastructure for a country. I think it would be a > > very interesting thing to investigate what the actual density of users and > > data usage is (there is a graph posted, but I haven't tried to get a good > > enough copy of it to see the units). It could confirm/refute the "starlink > > can't scale" argument > > > > David Lang > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Larry Press wrote: > > > >> SpaceX has given a more detailed statement of expenses to the Pentagon: > >> https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html > >> > >> They have been "paid" in favorable publicity and have tested/refined things > >> like mobile connectivity. > >> > >> Aren't the companies that supply weapons, ammunition, etc. paid? > >> > >> Larry > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Starlink <[email protected]> on behalf of David > >> Lang via Starlink <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:28 AM > >> To: Kurtis Heimerl <[email protected]> > >> Cc: Starlink list <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? > >> > >> Having now read more info on this, less significant than the $80m total > >> figure > >> is the $20m/month figure he quoted. With 15k dishes as the figure that they > >> sent > >> (separate from whatever has been purchased on the commercial side), that > >> works > >> out to 1.3k/dish/month, which is very high. > >> > >> now, not being able to deploy reliable ground stations inside Ukraine could > >> be > >> driving up costs, plus the ongoing battle against jamming. But in his tweet > >> he > >> also cites satellite costs, which should not be allocated as "Ukraine > >> related" > >> costs (and I don't think the cyberdefense and jamming defense work should > >> be > >> either) > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Kurtis Heimerl via Starlink wrote: > >> > >>> This thread > >>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456__;!!P7nkOOY!reUDfoQpkbJ6YAQ6h436UHdL9D0lnxDeqlc29JPUsrl8V_02dlWYYFi4zfQ-CCRLKetEGxza7FjOyJDcUURE6WtPnA$ > >>> ) > >>> strongly argues that Starlink is largely paid for their service, at > >>> least on the consumer side. I imagine there are significant > >>> operational expenses in dealing with the various actors involved but > >>> not on the basic model. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 9:06 AM Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the > >>>>> expectation that it’s a “freemium” model, it’s very hard to get out of > >>>>> it. If > >>>>> you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, > >>>>> eyebrows > >>>>> raise way above the hairline. > >>>> > >>>> Uh. Hmm. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Starlink mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!P7nkOOY!reUDfoQpkbJ6YAQ6h436UHdL9D0lnxDeqlc29JPUsrl8V_02dlWYYFi4zfQ-CCRLKetEGxza7FjOyJDcUUSVCxIH-w$ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink__;!!P7nkOOY!reUDfoQpkbJ6YAQ6h436UHdL9D0lnxDeqlc29JPUsrl8V_02dlWYYFi4zfQ-CCRLKetEGxza7FjOyJDcUUSVCxIH-w$ > >_______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink -- This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list [email protected] https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
