On Fri April 17 2009 8:42:11 pm Kent Brown wrote: > That's right. We have updated the install directions to default to the > Express (free) versions of VS and MSSQL. I think the only non-free thing > required is some version of Windows
"Free as in Beer" is very different than "Free as in Speech". I care about both. In any case, I asked the other IPMC folks and basically received: a. We can/should allow it very temporarily since it's in incubation, and early in incubation as well. b. Try to move towards RDBMS independence ASAP. If there isn't a technical reason for achieving this soon, several people have stated they would vote down things, especially graduation. Basically, there isn't anyway graduation would pass with the current state. THAT said, with the current state, I think you'll have a hard time getting the needed +1 votes to release. With the above, I don't think people would -1 it, but I don't think they would +1 either. Example: for me personally, I would not be able to +1 the release as I would not be able to run anything (Mac/Linux only, no Windows) and I won't vote for something I haven't run, especially a web app type thing. Since there are a LOT of Mac folks on the IPMC, this could end up being a problem getting the required vote. My SUGGESTION (not required, but I think it would help) would be to spend some time before the first release and get it working on mysql or portgres or something. That should pretty much remove the issue from discussion. That said, I have some other "concerns" that I need to talk to IPMC folks about as well. They may fall into the "allowed in early incubation, but not allowed for graduation" type situation like the above, but I want to get more information before I complain too much. :-) More to follow. Dan > (I'm pretty sure folks have been > successful running it on XP, Vista, Server 2003, and Server 2008). I > understand that in donating the code, it was worked out with Apache legal > that the code for the sample app is under ASF license, but the underlying > "platform" (Windows/.NET/VS/MSSQL/etc.) is excluded. So hopefully we are > fine, but if there are concerns we should raise them to legal as soon as > possible. > > Kent > > -----Original Message----- > From: Selvaratnam Uthaiyashankar [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: JAVA install documentation > > Hi Dan, > > See my comments. > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > Actually, I have a couple questions I'd like clarified as well about the > > plans for M1: > > > > Will ANYTHING in M1 work using ONLY open source tools and stuff? > > At least we are dependent on MSSQL. So that means, M1 will not work ONLY > with open source tools. > > > Will M1 REQUIRE a Windows box for at least part of it (like the > > database)? > > Yes, we need MSSQL. > > > Or is the current plan that everything that "works" will require > > commercial/proprietary tools such as MS tools and WSAS? > > WSAS is open source and having apache license :) . But we need MSSQL and > Visual Studio, but all of them can be express version, which can be > downloaded freely. > > Regards, > Shankar > > > I'm mostly asking because I'm honestly not sure if it matters and I may > > need > > to ask on legal and such to figure out if that will be allowed or not. > > I'd > > like clarification first before asking. In general, we can depend on > > incompatibly licensed stuff as long as those parts are "optional" and not > > core > > to the product working. (and we don't ship those things). In this case, > > however, it sounds like some things are not optional (like use of MS > > database) > > which may be a show stopper. Definitely something that will need to be > > investigated unless someone figures out how to get those parts to not be > > required before M1. > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > On Thu April 16 2009 11:42:58 pm Drew Baird (Volt) wrote: > > > Thanks. So there are two questions: > > > > > > Question 1 > > > Is WSAS the next priority foir me to start deploy interop testing? > > > > > > Question 2 > > > Is WSAS for Release M1? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: Selvaratnam Uthaiyashankar [[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: JAVA install documentation > > > > > > Hi Ben & Drew, > > > > > > WSAS in trunk is a refined version of Java in contrib. We don't want to > > > > put > > > > > it as Java in trunk because we expected other java platforms (sun, cxf) > > > will also be implemented eventually. So we thought to put common code > > > between all the frameworks inside Java folder and put framework > > > specific code inside theire respective folders. See [1] for more > > > details. > > > > > > Installation guide for WSAS is in [2] > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shankar > > > > > > [1] > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00051. > >ht > > > > >ml [2] > > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STONEHENGE/Stonehenge+PHP+and+ > >WS > > > > >AS+Stocktrader+Installation+Guide > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Drew Baird (Volt) > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Shankar, > > > > > > > > Please explain: > > > > 1. Is the WSAS implementation the next priority > > > > 2. what is different about the pure Java implementation that is still > > > > in > > > > > > contrib? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: Ben Dewey [[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:40 PM > > > > To: '[email protected]' > > > > Subject: RE: JAVA install documentation > > > > > > > > I'm assuming you mean the WSAS. I'll use that instead. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Are we eventually going to be maintaining the WSAS and Java versions > > > > as two separate JAVA implementations? Or is one going to replace the > > > > other? > > > > > > If so can someone explain the differences/benefits of both? > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Drew Baird (Volt) [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:30 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: RE: JAVA install documentation > > > > > > > > I would say the WASA (also JAVA) has higher priority and it is > > > > already > > > > in > > > > > > the trunk. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ben Dewey [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:20 PM > > > > To: '[email protected]' > > > > Subject: RE: JAVA install documentation > > > > > > > > The documentation can be found at: > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/stonehenge/contrib/stocktrader > > > > > >/java/documents/JavaStockTraderInstallationInXP.html > > > > > > > > Sorry I found it. > > > > > > > > I also found > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/STONEHENGE-4regarding moving > > > > java to trunk. Does this have a priority? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ben Dewey [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:11 PM > > > > To: '[email protected]' > > > > Subject: JAVA install documentation > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm looking into getting a Java implementation up and running. I > > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > couple of questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there any install documentation? I'm not seeing any in > > > > SVN or > > > > > > > > 2. I don't see any code in the trunk. Should I be using the > > > > contrib code? > > > > > > > > 3. Can I get this up and running with just the JRE? Do I need > > > > the > > > > > > JDK? If so, what version? 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