Alex: I believe the most appropriate answer to your final question below (
"What do you see as the advantages of combining these two approaches? " ) is
one you gave yourself: ("... a desire for char ...").
The beauty of high mass heaters is that they mesh well with a batch process -
the main (only?) drawback of char-making stoves.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex English" <[email protected]>
To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], "Jote Mahern" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:49:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the
PLACE
Paul,
The TLUD configuration has it's advantages and disadvantages, like any
system. One advantage is it's steady state energy release. High mass
heaters strive for a similar result. It seems a bit redundant to pair
the two. Perhaps it depends on other considerations like a desire for
char or an available particulate fuel supply.
There are some folks doing fine work at the Masonry Heater Association.
http://mha-net.org/
They have done a lot on emissions, efficiency and durability.
They have looked into Down feed rocket configurations.
I'm not sure if they have quantified losses between firings, or seasonal
efficiency.
Its a simple concept with lots of technical details.
What do you see as the advantages of combining these two approaches?
Alex
On 10/7/2011 10:02 AM, Paul S. Anderson wrote:
> Dear Jote and all,
>
> Your problem (opportunity) is about space heating. And you seem to want
> biomass rather than fossil or other heat sources. So you should consider
> all heat-transfer options with biomass, not just latch onto Rocket or
> some other technology that makes heat.
>
> For the climate of the Los Angeles area, why not consider a high-mass
> stove? It gets hot and then radiates heat for a long time.
>
> A new friend of mine in Massachusetts, Chas (prononced as in Jazz)
> Hinckley has a design for a high mass heater and we are discussing a
> moderately large TLUD combustor to provide the heat.
>
> We are looking for other people who might be specifically interested in
> this high mass heating option with a TLUD heat source.
>
> If anyone is interested, please get in touch with me and Chas to have
> some off-list discussions. (Chas is not subscribed to the Stoves Listserv.)
>
> Yes, you can put a Rocket burner into a high mass device, but I do not
> deal with that.
>
> Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Known to some as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor
> Phone (USA): 309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud Email: [email protected]
> www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf (Best ref.)
>
>
> Quoting Jote Mahern <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> My name is Jote and I am looking for some guidance on the subject of
>> building a rocket stove to heat an industrial space near 64th and San
>> Pablo.
>> This space is home to the PLACE for sustainable living (People Linking
>> Art
>> Community and Ecology). We are a nonprofit working as a community
>> resiliency laboratory and business incubator. We opened in May. It is
>> starting to get pretty cool inside. Any help/advice is appreciated. I am
>> heading up the project and have experience with cob and am excited to
>> put it
>> to good use.
>>
>> I am hoping to locate plans and someone who is willing to go over them
>> with
>> me.
>> If anyone is interested in joining the work party for the build out
>> that is
>> definitely welcome as well.
>>
>> Hope to hear from you soon!
>>
>
>
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