> To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:50:44 -0600 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for > the PLACE > > Malthusian angst is certainly understandable, if not perhaps supportable. > It does not, however, justify eugenics, for that is surely what any effort > at draconian control of population will result in. If uncontrolled human > population growth results in widespread human suffering, so be it. At > least it will be a result fairly bought by free choice. Ok, but whose free > choice is it to continue having 8 or 9 kids per family? Not mine ! Maybe a > condition of life should contain some of the Chinese rule of thumb that one > kid and then sterilization. Why should the rest of suffer the same end as > those freely choosing to over populate. > > I prefer to believe in the innate ingenuity and resourcefulness of humans > (like designing, promoting and distributing improved stoves). Well my good > man, I fear that time may prohibit the great awakening which I do believe > seems to be happening. But if everyone (everyone) did something simple each > day, we could slow the clock.......maybe. So how do we unite the masses in > time (watch blue water wars, read the world without us) as things are looking > pretty slim. And I was a complete optimist a few months ago. Unfortunately I > have learned many things which have put some dark grey clouds in my skies. > > Also, the most successful tools in voluntary population control are > prosperity, education and equality of opportunity. The results take two > or three generations to kick in, but they are fairly consistent. Sad, but I > wonder what my grand daughter will have to look forward to when she is > 50......from the looks of what the societal money addiction has done for our > rampant consumerist, over consumptive, waste producing, carelessly > destructive ways........I am not sure I would want to live in whats left. Roger > > > Andrew Parker (Not AJH) > > > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:55:15 -0600, Fireside Hearth > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Steve, > > > > I spent most of my adult life teaching people how to heat their > > homes without smoke coming from the chimney, when I see pictures of > > areas where bio char is being made I see horrible air pollution from the > > fires, and then I see trucks burning tons of gas/diesel to move this > > product long distances and sold so cheap that it's producers really > > don't get paid much at all for all this effort. I am really not even > > sure that there is any benefit which has been proven yet. If indeed > > there is a benefit to our food cycle, then there must also be a way of > > accomplishing this end without what looks like so much waste and > > pollution of air, land, and water. I am beginning to think that the only > > answer is negative population growth......sterilize everyone at birth, > > and remove a good portion of the overall population.....but where would > > they go? > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:48:21 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove > > for the PLACE > > > > > > > > On 11 October 2011 04:12, Fireside Hearth > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex..... > > > > So I guess maybe I am interested in learning about how char is made > > now and just maybe I might think of ways to make it with less > > environmental down sides. Any further info would be great, Thanks for > > your time. > > > > > > I think you need to be more specific about how you think that using all > > the energy from the rest of the material in a clean way makes the > > resulting carbon residue have downsides ? The carbon residue is > > sequestered carbon, ready to be put back into the plant cycle. > > Slash/burn isn't designed to make char, its designed to clear land. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Stoves mailing list > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > [email protected] > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ >
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