Thanks Brown, I hope you are right Stanley On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Brown, Henry, DoIT wrote:
> Stanley, > > I have built methane digestors, solar collectors, solar distillers in Peace > Corps. > I have seen how they fail to meet the needs of people. > Wood fires continue to plague the world. > All are complex and not appropriate to all developing countries. > > I have seen the problems of the air conditioned driven power grids in the US. > I managed a centralized electric power system in US Southwest. I built > software for large wind farms. The failures due to power market manipulation > (Enron) and under regulation (FERC Bush Admin) are really secondary. The real > problem is centralized power. Large distances and right-of-way issues will > kill large solar and wind problems due to transmission rights-of-way. > Southern CA is where we see this today. > > Ecat, if real, will resolve many of the issues of centralized power. > It is not cost effective today to use it soley for power production. > Ect runs at 1000 F. > Making it not efficient enough to replace natural gas turbines or coal plants. > But the waste heat from the systems can power personal thermoelectric > generators and heat water and homes. > > It will allow decentralized systems because it is relatively safe and can be > widely used in small power grids. > Example: If each home owner has ten ecats (200 kW heat = 15 kW electric > approx). By selling electric to the national grid a micro grid can be self > balancing on most days. > > The user gets to use waste heat the grid buys the excess electric. > This scales very well. > Even developing countries could adopt the plumbing skills to build and > operate Ecat. > > I was a mechanic for diesel engines as a teenager and worked on family farms > and in canneries. I have alot of practical experience with mechanical > systems. Ecat will be fairly easy to operate from what I have read. > > It remains to be proven the exact amount of energy this technology will > produce. But applications can now be visualized for its use. > > Henry Brown > [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > [[email protected]] on behalf of Richard Stanley > [[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:35 PM > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves > Subject: [Stoves] smoke that cigar will ya ? > > Here we go again, the sure fix solution for the third world, eh ? > > What part about "local capacity development" do we NOT GET ? > > Look at the process for making the cigar: > • How much less the energy input and technology is required. > • Who controls that ? > • What skills are gained by those who will use manage and maintain it… > > Again friends, if all it took was a new technical fix like this and the dozns > of well intended flops over the years, we could have flown over the third > world and parachuted them in and that would have been that. > > But its not ... > Development is so much more complicated than that, the real sticky stuff of > working within the context of the eventaul user adopter… > > Question is who benefits MIT the various scientific luminaries and their > institutions around the world , or the actual user… > Show us how it can be made in country how it can be adapted to locla > management Accept less efficiency in the technology for more effectiveness in > local adaptaion. > > Egad, I'm getting abit to old for this.. > > Richard Stanley > www.legacyfound.org > (also ex pcv/ Ceylon 2) > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Brown, Henry, DoIT wrote: > >> Replacing charcoal production would save trees and prevent deforestation all >> over the world. >> >> A new reactor Ecat could be simplified into a cooking ceramic stone that >> produces 1000 F (580 C) temperature. >> This stone could produce heat for years, replacing wood fires in developing >> countries. >> A red brick with a cigarette sized reactor inside could cook food and >> sterilize water. >> >> SAM Kargbo works for SUNY in Albany, NY - Sam is a SUNY educator who grew up >> in Africa. "This (nuclear cooking stone) sounds really promising. I believe >> it will help millions. You are right, deforestation is one big problem in a >> continent like Africa. Many places in Africa are now dry due to the loss of >> trees being cut down. I would definitely be the first man to go sell the new >> invention (cooking stone) for you in Africa. " >> Scratch Ecat Cartoon: There are more references below. >> http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/GeneMachine/1791470 >> >> Ecat uses hydrogen as its primary fuel. >> Managing hydrogen ions limits sustaining the Ni/H reaction. >> A ceramic Ecat using a solid-state hydrogen fuel source would allow Ecat to >> be widely used. >> US Air Force lab reproduced Ecat and reveals Nickel catalyst. >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/06/brian-ahern-getting-8-watts-in-low.html >> Ecat could be used in the home to produce steam for heating, hot water, and >> electric generation for homes and cars. >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/04/swedish-researchers-confirm-rossi-and.html >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer >> See attached (Ecat_Nuclear_Reactor_Rankine_Model.doc) >> Nickel is a very common waste product from copper mining ($12.10 /LB). >> Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. >> The Ecat uses 50 grams of Ni to produce 25kWh (approx) >> http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29 >> >> Girls in developing countries must collect firewood and leave school. >> Could students devise a small cigarette sized Ecat to place in a brick to >> produce heat for cooking? >> See attached Nuclear Cooking Stone.doc >> >> I worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (90-91). >> I was a Peace Corps Volunteer working on renewable energy and water in >> Jamiaca, WI in the 1970's. >> I saw the deforestation by firewood collection in Haiti. >> >> Could NIH and DOE develop a solid state hydrogen fuel to power the cooking >> stone? >> http://ceramics.org/ceramictechtoday/2011/03/23/two-new-mgh2-based-approaches-for-hydrogen-storage-proposed/ >> >> Henry Brown >> [email protected] >> 505 795-3680 >> >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://www.bioenergylists.org/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ >
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