Hi Marc,
Yes, I think for stovers interested in distribution of effective improved cook stoves, attention to flexible financing and responsiveness to local cooking conditions may be the more important questions to ask. Thanks for the reference. I was just looking for information on whats happening on the ground. Isnt it interesting though that no one has responded to this post and said We are selling X stove in X place for X? I guess that demonstrates what you have suggested, that the answer requires a nuanced question. Jan _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marc Pare Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:14 PM To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove costs To add to the idea about perceived value that Cecil and Crispin started -- One of the most eye-opening readings on the topic for me was the publication <http://www.hedon.info/docs/GVEP_Markets_and_Cookstoves__.pdf%20> "Cookstove and Markets: Experiences, Successes, and Opportunities" published by GVEP International in 2009. (Jan -- there is also some discussion in the paper regarding your original question about price, convenience, performance) On pg 38, the authors present a figure comparing attributes of products marketed to the poor. It turns out that the problem is more nuanced than "the price is right". The decision-making steps presented in the paper are: "Initial Perceived Value" "Affordable with Disposable Income" "Affordable with Microfinance" "Magnitude of Change [to daily habits]" Something like Coca-Cola has a high perceived value, is affordable with disposable income, and requires little change to daily habits. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that cook stoves in rural areas face barriers at each of those stages. - low perceived value because of gradual negative impact to health - generally not affordable with disposable income - and often a big change to daily habits Marc Paré B.S. Mechanical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology | Université de Technologie de Compiègne my cv, etc. | http://notwandering.com On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Jan, I keep hearing about the people earning less than US$2 per day. In a lot of cases the income is shown to be low in statistics generated by the Government of that particular country. Even a landless labourer in a village in India would have some hens and a goat (or ducks and a pig), the income from which never enters the Government statistics. Another fact of life is that people's priorities differ from ours. Some of us feel that the poor should have a clean latrine and a clean kitchen, but the poor themselves often consider a cellphones in their pocket and a t.v. in the house to be more important. Also the rate of conversion of a dollar into the local currency is often manipulated by the Government. 2 Dollars in a poor country has a relatively high buying power in that country than in the US. Yours A.D.Karve On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Jan Bianchi <[email protected]> wrote: > Do any of you know of a list that compares different clean burning cook > stoves not only by fuel type, efficiency and emissions, but also by price > and the presence or lack thereof of subsidy? I dont see the latter > information on most websites that describe different stoves. > > > > If there isnt such a list, maybe we could work to put together one by each > of you sending a link that describes a stove and stating the price they are > currently being sold for in local communities, together with whether there > is a subsidy and if so the amount? Id be happy to work with Erin to put > together such a list from your answers. > > > > For people living on $2 a day or less, what for example would be considered > a low cost stove? Middling? High? > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > -- *** Dr. A.D. Karve Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI) _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://www.bioenergylists.org/
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