FWIW, I see these ceramic elements in many small gas cartridge cooking stoves on sale in Taiwan for the outdoor market. Though no doubt the criterion for acceptable durability is different than it would be for a stove intended for daily use.

Robert Taylor

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Keep in mind the environment you will be using the ceramics in. Will it survive liquid being spilled on it? For a heating stove there shouldn't be a problem.


On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:10:41 -0700, Paul Olivier <[email protected]> wrote:

Ron,

I think that this is what I need:
http://www.hceramic.com/products/Liquefied_gas_stove_slice/
You found it.
Thanks.

Paul

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Paul Olivier <[email protected]> wrote:

Very good, Ron.

Paul


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:21 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

Paul, Matt, list:

   I like your (earlier) idea of a ceramic "strainer".   You might want
to start by doing more googling on the topic of "ceramic foam" - which
seems to be a relatively new sub-discipline of the ceramic industry. The "foam" companies seem to be able to produce a material which can serve as a strainer (open cell structure, not closed) - which will allow the hot gases
to flow through the foam.

  Here is one example of a group explaining this sort of work:
         http://www.madehow.com/Volume-5/Ceramic-Filter.html#b

There are plenty of companies doing this "foam" work - to be found via
googling.

  Following Matt's suggestions below,  there may be a place also for
"rock wool" - vs glass fiber (to get higher temp capability.

If you use metal (as below),  I think a thin ceramic coating might help
on longevity, if the coating is thin enough.  Will be hard to match
coefficients of thermal expansion, but may be possible .

Ron

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Matt,

One way to solve the problem of what material to use in a wire mesh dome is to view the wire mesh as a disposable item that might last but a few
months.
I found an easy way to insert a 304 stainless steel wire mesh disk (30
mesh) into a rigid receiving structure that is dome-shaped.
When a flat wire mesh disk is pushed into the shape of a dome, it exerts
a lot of pressure against the receiving structure.
Nothing has to be welded.
When it wears out, it is pulled out, and another disk is put in its place.

Thanks.
Paul

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Matthew Redmond <[email protected]>wrote:

Ron, List,

Interesting find. You reported that the silicon carbide meshes for
drywall sanding are really just paper meshes coated with silicon carbide.

I was trying to think of other materials that can handle high
temperatures and ceramics came to mind. Ceramics are often used in metal casting processes. Aluminum Oxide, or even some sorts of fiberglass have high working temperatures. Ceramics generally have higher emissivity than
metals (~ 0.7 I think).

It looks like fiberglass meshes are often used to filter molten aluminum and iron for casting operations. Perhaps something like this would have longer lifetimes? Again, cost may become a big issue, but here are 2 that I
found:

http://www.ecplaza.net/trade-leads-seller/fiberglass-mesh-for-aluminium-filtration--6816138.html
http://www.king-in-china.com/productview.asp?id=954

Just throwing a few more ideas out there.

-Matt Redmond






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