Dear Karve, In that much, I agree with you 100% Richard Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2012, at 17:36, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Stanley, > there is a demand in the market for charcoal briquettes. We think that it is > better to char dried and fallen leaves than to cut trees for charring the > wood. > Yours > A.D.Karve > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Richard Stanley <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Dear AD, >> >> There is now far too much evidence globally of well-burning, quick-igniting, >> smoke-minimum biomass briquettes which are made from ucharred material to >> accept your rationale that non char briquettes are smokey, therefore one >> has to charr biomass to make a decent briquette fuel. >> >> Many will not use char briquettes in fact because they take too long to >> ignite as is being noted from our counterpart, Fundacion Progressar's field >> staff in Guatemala. >> >> The jury is not in on charring as the be all--end all solution fo rbiomas >> briquettemaking; Char blends remain effective for certain types of stoves >> and certain types of cooking and other heating applications but not all-- by >> a long shot. Chardust in Kenya, Owen working for them and again in the DRC >> and your own efforts in Tanzania, can only serve a small portion of the >> population with charring, because of the polluting effects and the volumes >> of raw resrouces consumed in making char in the first place.. I have yet to >> see real photos of the charr process as other than lab o conditions, it >> never seems to appear in other than pre-ignite and end-result still photos >> on any of the char-promotion sites…I can tell you what I see in the field in >> operation after the technicla support has left the scene though, and its not >> very pretty, frankly. >> >> While char is admittdly wonderful for the soil it is far better to capture >> it for the stove bed or off the seller's stall floor, than to waste the heat >> and carbon out in the fields, in its preparation. The same group wishing >> to char can just as well set up briquette production in the same field as >> well and produce the briquettes directly on site. >> >> There remain many solutions to briquetting AD: Char is only one of them. >> >> Richard Stanley >> www.legacyfound.org >> >> >> >> Perhaps you should visit Sanu Kaji Shrestha up in Kathmandu Nepal to see how >> briqettes are being made without charring and working quite well. >> >> On Oct 28, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Anand Karve wrote: >> >> Our State Government's Department of Forests have taken the decision to >> allow people to collect the fallen leaves and to convert them into fuel >> briquettes or charcoal briquettes. The leaf fall begins in October after the >> end of the monsoon rains and by about November, the trees have no leaves >> left on them. These dry leaves lying on the forest floor represent a fire >> hazard. The Government has to spend money to remove them. If the new scheme >> succeeds and people living in and near the forests find that they can earn >> money by converting the leaves into briquettes, they may remove the leaves >> voluntarily. We are collaborating with the Government in teaching the >> beneficiaries the technology of charring and briquetting leaves, and also in >> using the char briquettes as cooking fuel. The char briquettes burn without >> any smoke at all, and if the beneficiaries used our cooker, just 100 to 150 >> g briquettes can cook the meal of an entire family of 5 to 6 persons. >> There is also another use for the fallen leaves. Rice is first grown in a >> nursery and the seedlings are transplanted into the field after about a >> month. At the seedling stage, it becomes difficult to distinguish between >> the seedlings of rice and those of grass. Farmers spread the dry leaves on >> the area meant to be used as seedling nursery and ignite them. This >> procedure burns off all the weed seeds in that plot and when one sows rice >> seed into the beds, one gets seedlings without grass seedlings mixed with >> them. >> Yours >> A.D.Karve >> Yours >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Frans Peeters <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear ,Paal,Dean ,Alex and stovers , >>> >>> >>> >>> Free fuel from woods, its falling twigs,leaves and pine needles also pine >>> appels are rotting ! >>> >>> Not recognised by most folks. >>> >>> It must be harvested and dryed in summer and kept dry under roofs or >>> plastic film . >>> >>> Energy calculated for a Kg fuel is 4 KWh for wood and 5 KWh for dry >>> grasses !!!. >>> >>> Dry pine needles will be as good as pellets ! Free and no production cost >>> if you collect it yourself . >>> >>> Pellets cost twice as much as fuel wood here ! >>> >>> Your 5 $ stove made of an old propane cylinder seafly cut with a jigsaw >>> is strong enoug to last for a lifetime ! >>> >>> If you collect 20 kg free fuel every nice wether day, you get 4 ton a >>> year for heating and coocking !. >>> >>> So your DREAM is realised ! >>> >>> We must also admit ,some of us are too lazy to collect fuel and wait >>> for getting subsidies to buy fuel …... >>> >>> Others have better hobbies like footbal and robbing half the world by >>> distributing junk bonds . >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Frans >>> >> >> >> -- >> *** >> Dr. A.D. Karve >> Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://www.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > -- > *** > Dr. A.D. 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