True Crispin on some points but not all; On one point its just the physics of 
the process: on the others, I think it has to do with the difference in the 
different type blends and diameters of briquettes we are both  speaking about.

For our own process we find that;
•  More water is generally better than less water : The water added is 
recovered usually by gravity and only periodically is it scooped up and poured 
into the bath of feedstock. The time saved by this  pouring,  as  opposed to 
hand stuffing is hands down a winner in production. 

•  Vertical stacking requires less pressure overall but in terms of total work 
being done, it's theoretically the same.  As you note, it requires a longer 
stroke to compress stacked briquettes  as opposed to a parallel alignment. Work 
= force x distance and all that… 
To our experience stacking gets a bit more complicated than that however, as 
stacking of briquettes and dividers in one cylinder  also requires some skill 
to get the size consistent ( although the variance is far wider with more 
easily compressed blends). This is due in part to the fact that the wall 
friction is accumulative,  such that the bottom most briquette in the stack 
tends to be the least least compressed). It gets more challenging where one is 
using two or three divider washers to build the stack in any one cylinder 
especially with the  more  compressible blends. (i.e. a leaf - paper blend will 
show far greater differences due to the above than say a charcoal-sawdust-paper 
blend) 

In looking at output of the parallel cylinder press designs,  Kevin Adair,  
head of el Fuego del Sol in Haiti,  is reporting a press output of 25 square 
bqs in 82 seconds ~ 20 per minute in the 25 cylinder press I helped him design 
last year. (each of these briquettes is 10cm on a side and probably about 5cm 
tall with what looks like a 30mm dia.  hole in the  center). Each cylinder 
contains only one briquette and they are aligned cupcake tray-style, side by 
side, with a sliding tray for the bottom gate (a nifty idea borrowed from a 
briquette colleague, Sanu Kaji, of FoST Nepal several years ago). I  recon 
Fuego's Haiti bqs are the typical sg of .3 
which amounts to roughly 1.8kgs a minute.  Thats pretty amazing when you 
consider only one 2+ ton hand bottle jack powering it all.  

This is a case of different strokes for different folks eh ? 
Cheers, 

Richard 


On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:

Dear Richard

I am not disputing the ease with which one can fill and balance the multiple 
cavities, the same holds for bricks however...

The water has to be added and then removed both of which require work. If you 
can avoid it, do so. 

The suggestion was to make a sort of pie-shaped briquette. As there is a 
'parallelism' involved, it means the pressure in each briquette is additive. If 
there were 6, it would take 6 times the total pressure of one. 

Putting them in series as a stack would require the same pressure as 1 but make 
six at a time, using 6 times the stroke distance. It is much cheaper to build 
for a long stroike than additional pressure. 

As they are in a line, the need to fill thenm equally does not arise. 

Regards
Crispin
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Crispin , 
Beg to differ here. liquifying assures far faster filling (you set up the top 
surface of the cylinders with a flat sheet thibk cupcake mold with slightly 
raised 25-30mm high) sides. One then just pours the slurry in and  screeds/ 
squeegees  it over the cylinder tops and voila , near immediate filling . You 
need to make the cylinder more porous (2---2.5mm dia holes on 1 cm centers), to 
bleed off the fiber rich water which is recovered to feed stock . Drying time 
is about the same 4-5 days to ambient humidity under natural drying conditions.
Richard

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On Oct 30, 2012, at 17:55, "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Dear R and P
> 
> Having faced this problem with our 2-Up brick machine albeit at much higher 
> pressures I found the answer is a robust machine and operator training. After 
> a time the operators just get good at loading the cavities. It was very 
> important to our production process that the mix NOT be a slurry because of 
> the extended drying needed, though it is a workable idea. 
> 
> In Lubumbashi 205 workers using 41 manual machines made 1.3 million bricks in 
> one month (Oct 2010) using 11% moisture clay. The cavities are filled 
> individually but compressed in pairs. I was as impressed as the frogged side 
> of the bricks!
> 
> I concur that the mix is critical but people get very good at the art of 
> batching...
> 
> Regards
> Crispin
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