Crispin: 1. I don't get your point. Two sentences after the Romm statement you quote (below), Tami says:
" Mitigating black carbon is good for curbing short-term climate change, but to really solve the long-term climate problem, carbon dioxide emissions must also be reduced,” What is the difference between the Romm and Bond statements? 2. Can you also give a cite for your claim (which I think is refuted by Tami's report - such as Fig.3.3): " The great majority of BC is not human in origin ..." 3. My view is that paying more attention to BC will help with stove development - especially char-making stoves with their much reduced particulate release. Tami has made a much stronger case than "bad publicity"- and Joe Romm seems to me to have caught the importance of this by also bringing in BC's health aspect as well as " reducing regional climate change" . Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <[email protected]> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:03:51 PM Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17 Dear Amanda Like several other bloggers, Romm seems to misunderstand the difference between forcing and warming. “This demonstrates that curbing black carbon emissions could have significant impact on reducing regional climate change while having a positive impact on human health. ” The great majority of BC is not human in origin so any ‘impact’ would be on health, if we choose to have some impact. As work progresses on defining the health impacts of ultra-fine particles from cooking fires, we will have the attention of a larger audience than before. As they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. For a healthier world… Crispin Thanks Crispin. Here is an excellent summary of the article by Joe Romm on Climate Progress: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/16/1452741/black-carbon-larger-cause-of-climate-change-than-previously-assessed/?mobile=nc Best, Amanda Amanda Joy Ravenhill 207.206.4634 "The challenge is to make the world work for 100% of humanity in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation without ecological offense or disadvantage of anyone." - R. Buckminster Fuller On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, < [email protected] > wrote: Send Stoves mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:26:20 -0500 From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" < [email protected] > To: "Stoves" < [email protected] > Subject: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon Message-ID: <00f301cdf41f$5e6f04f0$1b4d0ed0$@ gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Friends A new and I would say major major paper on the atmospheric impact of black carbon particles is available for download. We know at least two of the authors here on 'Stoves'. Profs Tami Bond and Philip Hopke (the aethalometer builder who said he was a minor contributor) are frequent contributors on the subject of emissions testing. The paper is important because it is the first really detailed examination of the effects of atmospheric heating by Black Carbon (BC). The abstract is at < http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract and the paper is at < http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf It is not behind a paywall but it is large (40 MB). Times to get your hands dirty with BC! Regards Crispin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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