Dear Crispin,

 

It seems the WBT is now not just a WBT but also plans to include a lot of great 
info regarding the combustion process through the cycle. I go along with that 
but would separate them into two test packages and for now just concentrate on 
perfecting the WBT using all the bells and whistles us labs have. Remember we 
have been talking (in words) about just the fuel section and still have the 
water simmering and boiling measurement method to develop.  Then when we get to 
the point where the fuel quality (not quantity) is the limiting factor we can 
experiment with fine tuning the fuel for the stove (or other way around).

 

Also;

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Crispin:

I would love to have the real times measurements as accurately as possible. The 
problem is the moisture in the middle – the end we can work out with patience. 
But if the boiling portion of a WBT is done using wood that dries out entirely 
and is half charred by the time boiling arrives, what is the energy applied? 
How do we know what the energy of the burning char/wood mix is during 
simmering? What are we really trying to find out? The mass of fuel consumed 
each time a new copy of the task is performed, or the heat transfer efficiency? 
Or the CO emitted per MJ at different power levels? You must decide up front 
what we are trying to measure then devise an experiment that determines it 
exactly. This is done routinely in academia and industry. There is nothing 
special about stoves that requires us to use vainly imagined metrics and 
methods. Just get on and do the job properly.

 

Frank:

We need to have one purpose for the test (as you mention). For now it is 
develop a test method the gives us the info we need to compute ‘energy from 
biomass per water task’. This is more than enough to work out now.  If this is 
the one purpose the moisture in the middle does not matter. The rate wood turns 
to char does not matter if we stipulate the type of fuel to use because it will 
be the same for all tests and labs. But with different quality of biomass as 
fuel it will matter and to be experimented with at a later time when we have 
such a test where fuel quality is the limiting factor. Not yet! We need to get 
the test working before going out looking at exotic measurements. When 
measuring just CO2 and CO in the out gas you are thinking that represents such 
a large percentage of the carbon from the wood (leakage, tars, soot are so 
small) that you can use those numbers? Perhaps, but I see with only slight 
adjustments (air flow, dilution etc.) as making big differences. And I think a 
good gravimetric and CHN analysis to verify results is still needed as a 
standalone test or to verify the gas analysis.  

 

 

Thanks

 

Frank

 

 

Frank Shields

Control Laboratories, Inc.

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