Hi Crispin that link required some un-related password to do with Microsoft.
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No way it could be viewed.
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Geoff.

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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23 -0500
> From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
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> Dear Christina
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> 
> 
> Thanks for the pointer.
> 
> 
> 
> For the benefit of readers I would like to raise one point about the 
> emissions and the fuel.
> 
> 
> 
> ?Getting Good Data Could be Easy
> 
> ?If solid fuel cook stoves and kerosene lanterns are used in the same 
> households, then getting the answers we need may be straightforward and low 
> cost. While in the field, mothers being surveyed about their use of solid 
> fuel cook stoves could also be asked a few questions about their use of 
> kerosene for lighting. Some additional field observations could be recorded. 
> Existing resources allocated to studies planned for cook stoves research 
> could be very easily leveraged to quickly and inexpensively begin to build a 
> body of knowledge about the effects of kerosene lighting.?
> 
> The article also says that ?A recent Environmental Science and Technology 
> <mailto:http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h>  article reports that 
> as much as 10% of kerosene smoke is pure black carbon (soot) ? 20 times 
> higher than previous studies had found.?
> 
> 
> 
> The black carbon content of kerosene smoke is highly variable. It depends on 
> what lantern is used and the power setting. The article speaks as if the 
> emissions are created by the fuel and that worries me. This is an old 
> fashioned view. It is like saying that ?wood is a smoky fuel?. It depends on 
> the stove that is burning the wood, and how, doesn?t it? There is no doubt 
> that one lantern may create 20 times as much black carbon particles as 
> another lantern, but this tells us nothing about the fuel, it tells us about 
> the lanterns.
> 
> 
> 
> One alternative to a smoky kerosene lantern is a clean burning kerosene 
> lantern.
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> 
> Regards
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> Crispin
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> From: Stoves [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Christina Espinosa
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:50 PM
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> Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
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> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of interest:
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> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the lovely photos and info.
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> From: Stoves on behalf of Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
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> Dear Elisha
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> 
> What a great idea - so many harmonies.  In Mozambique old gas bottles are 
> widely used as charcoal cooking pots, cut lengthwise from tip to bottom, 
> after the valve has been removed.
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> They last a really long time.
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> Here are two types, one with the cylinder used vertically, one horizontally.
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> This might be of interest to the stovers that kerosene can be made into a
> very clean burning fuel just like LPG.
> http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf
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> Cheers.
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> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Christina Espinosa <
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>> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
>> interest:
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>> 
>> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:      Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty 
> and Climate
> Date:         Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:23:44 -0500
> From:         Robert Korol
> To:   Sfp Notices-list" <[email protected]>
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> 
> 
> Carla - thank goodness we are getting the power houses of our economic 
> engines like the*World Bank*  on side with respect to green energy.
>  Maybe there is hope for the world after all!
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37 -0500
>  "Carla"<[email protected]>  wrote:
>> Source:
>> 
>> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/
>> 
>> 
>> Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty and Climate
>> 
>> By Stephen Leahy
>> 
>> 
>> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25 2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the only way to bring
>> billions of people out of energy poverty and prevent a climate disaster, a
>> new study reveals.
>> 
>> Conservative institutions like the World Bank, the International Energy
>> Agency and accounting giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all warn humanity
>> is on a path to climate catastrophe unless fossil fuel energy is replaced by
>> green energy.
>> 
>> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable Energy for All*/  initiative intends to bring 
>> universal
>> access to modern energy, doubling the share of renewable energy globally,
>> and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency by 2030.
>> 
>> Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away from
>> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand.
>> 
>> If those targets are met and similar efforts undertaken to*reduce
>> deforestation*, then climate disaster can be avoided, said Joeri Rogelj of
>> the<http://www.iac.ethz.ch/>   Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science
>> in Zurich  who headed the analysis published Sunday in the journal
>> <http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html>  Nature Climate Change.
>> 
>> "Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away from
>> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand," Rogelj told IPS.
>> 
>> The U.N.<http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/>  Sustainable Energy for
>> All (SE4All)  initiative is ambitious, but brings a wide range of benefits
>> including improvements in health, less air pollution and makes the
>> all-important break from increasing fossil fuel energy use. The analysis
>> shows the costs of SE4All is far less than the public subsidies the fossil
>> fuel industry currently receives, he said.
>> 
>> Nearly three billion people still use fire for cooking and heating. Of
>> those, some 1.5 billion people have no access to electricity. For a billion
>> more, their only access is to sporadic and unreliable electricity networks.
>> Indoor air pollution from burning dung, charcoal, and wood for heating and
>> cooking leads to nearly two million premature deaths of women and children
>> every year, more than all the deaths from malaria and tuberculosis.
>> 
>> Dirty fossil fuel energy is also a major health hazard in industrial
>> countries, responsible for 50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths and 400
>> billion dollars in health costs a year in the U.S. alone, said Mark Jacobson
>> an energy expert at Stanford University in California.
>> 
>> "In the European Union, it is 350,000 premature deaths a year," Jacobson
>> told IPS.
>> 
>> SE4All was first announced in 2009. "Energy interacts with all of the
>> development challenges we face," Kandeh Yumkella, director-general of the
>> United Nations Industrial Development Organisation
>> <http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/>
>> told IPS at the launch.
>> 
>> Energy experts calculate that decentralised, off-grid technologies like
>> wind, solar, geothermal and micro-hydro energy generation are the fastest
>> and most cost effective solutions. Extending current electrical grids only
>> makes economic sense to meet 15-20 percent of the need due to the high
>> costs.
>> 
>> SE4All is well under way now, with more than 50 developing countries working
>> on national plans to achieve the three goals of universal access, increasing
>> renewable energy, and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency.
>> 
>> Since 80 percent of human carbon dioxide emissions come from the global
>> energy system, Rogelj and colleagues at the International Institute for
>> Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria wanted to quantify the impact
>> on the global climate.
>> 
>> "Achieving the three SE4ALL objectives could put the world on a path towards
>> global climate protection," they
>> <http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html
>>> conclude in their paper "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for All' initiative
>> is compatible with a warming limit of 2 ?C".
>> 
>> "Doing energy right will promote the Millennium Development Goals, such as
>> poverty eradication and social empowerment, and at the same time kick-start
>> the transition to a lower-carbon economy," says IIASA researcher David
>> McCollum, who also worked on the study.
>> 
>> "But the U.N.'s objectives must be complemented by a global agreement on
>> controlling greenhouse gas emissions."
>> 
>> Even if the targets are achieved, explosive economic growth coupled with
>> greater energy use will overwhelm the climate protection benefits of SE4All.
>> "There is an explicit need for a global cap on emissions," said Rogelj .
>> 
>> Global carbon emissions were about 52 gigatonnes (billion metric tonnes) in
>> 2012 and that means fossil fuel energy use must decline so emissions are
>> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to have a reasonable chance of keeping global warming
>> below two degrees C.
>> 
>> The shift to green energy is under way. Every new megawatt added to the U.S.
>> electricity supply in January came from renewables, and more than half of
>> all new electricity generation in 2012 was also from renewables, not gas as
>> often believed.
>> 
>> Iceland has 81 percent renewable energy. Scotland has a mandate to achieve
>> 100 percent renewable power supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws requiring
>> that the whole energy supply - electricity, heating/cooling, and
>> transportation - be met by renewable resources.
>> 
>> Stanford's Jackobson, among others, have proposed detailed plans on how to
>> meet 100 percent of the world's energy needs with green energy. Jacobson
>> believes it could be done as soon as 2030.
>> 
>> Costs for the SE4All plan are relatively modest at between 30 and 40 billion
>> dollars a year, a fraction of the 523 billion dollars in subsides for dirty
>> energy in 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. By 2030, 300
>> billion dollars a year will be needed to bring electricity into every home
>> on the planet and prevent catastrophic climate change.
>> 
>> Fossil fuel emission reductions will have to continue after 2030 and
>> eventually decline to near zero in order to stay below two degrees C, said
>> Rogelj.
>> 
>> - See more at:
>> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf
>> 
>> 
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