Wayne. Cc stoves

  I am taking an unusual action here - of taking your remarks from one list to 
another -because it seems so important on this sister stove  list - in terms of 
user reaction

   I am not surprised by the grandmother's love for your stove,  but I do hope 
that you can send some details on your specific design - probably best to both 
lists.

  For the sake of both lists, I also want to understand why you are not or not 
able to make char in it.

Ron

On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:58 PM, "Teel, Wayne Stephen - teelws" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> I don't think it western smugness at all.  In fact, I think you are making 
> another classic western mistake, the assumption that these people are too 
> different to understand.  Actually people are not all that different.  I am 
> writing this from western Kenya, among the Abiluhya/Idakho people's near the 
> town of Kakamega.  I brought over a TLUD stove that my students and I made in 
> a research project this past year.  We have done a few trials already and the 
> response is not all that different from professors at JMU; where is all the 
> smoke? How does it work so well?  Can I buy one?  Can we make them ourselves? 
>  One older woman, a grandmother numerous times over, loved the stove because 
> she can use it inside the kitchen instead of the in the kitchen hut outside 
> because there is no smoke.  Is that so different than us?  So why could a 
> midden not be a garden? When you discover stuff growing well on the 
> throwaways of your midden, why not turn it into a garden?  I would.
> 
> By the way, no biochar from the TLUD.  We are using throwaway pieces of wood, 
> too small for a three stone fire.  They tend to be completely consumed in the 
> process.  The key interest is in smokeless cooking.  Thanks to Paul Anderson 
> and Hugh McLaughlin for the design ideas.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> Wayne S. Teel
> 701 Carrier Drive
> ISAT MSC 4102
> Harrisonburg, VA 22807
> Phone: 540-568-2798
> Fax: 540-568-2761
> E-mail: [email protected]
> ________________________________________
> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Mark 
> Ludlow [[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:24 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [biochar] State of the scientific knowledge on properties and 
> genesis of Anthropogenic Dark Earths
> 
> Jeezuz, Erich! It’s not sarcasm at all! You think these midden pits were 
> kitchen gardens? It’s so easy to transpose (overlay) our culture on prehi

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