Hi Andrew. 

Climate "discussions" aside,   I wanted to elaborate on the implications of 
your observation about where" designing" is easier:
 I agree with you that it is easier to design anything "for someone" ( 
especially those less equipped to express their opinions and experiences, needs 
and resources)…... than to do it with them in their context…

My own experience tells me that the latter is the sticky part that few really 
want to get into and it's a huge part of determining whether or 
not ones best intentions stick or not. That sticky part makes really designing 
from within a good bit more challenging that simply designing a technical 
object and selling it here…. 

Richard Stanley
NW part of the Americas
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On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:

[Default] On Thu, 4 Jul 2013 05:41:33 +0700,Paul Olivier
<[email protected]> wrote:

> It is easy to design stoves for poor people in Third World countries. It is
> a much bigger challenge to design them for use each day in our own kitchens.

Stove design and use is on topic for [stoves] but there are other
forums on which it is better to discuss world changing effects,
important as they might be.

AJH

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