Jonathan said " I respectfully disagree. How we design and build our stoves has everything to do with climate security" That's strange - I thought we were trying to find ways to help poor people cook with minimal risk to their health and minimal outlay on fuel gathering. When SE Asia's emissions are growing by 700Mt CO2 every year, there ain't much we poor stovers can do about "climate security" - and what a weasel phrase that is!
Prof Philip Lloyd Energy Institute Cape Peninsula University of Technology PO Box 652, Cape Town 8000 Tel:021 460 4216 Fax:021 460 3828 Cell: 083 441 5247 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:40:55 +0100 From: [email protected] To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Climate Panel Cites Near Certainty on Warming Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Default] On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:25:19 +0700,Paul Olivier <[email protected]> wrote: >Another New York Times article relating to climate change: OK enough is enough, please no one do not respond further to these opinions on climate change, they are not relevant to [stoves] AJH ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 06:52:54 -0400 From: Jonathan P Gill <[email protected]> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Climate Panel Cites Near Certainty on Warming Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AJ, I respectfully disagree. How we design and build our stoves has everything to do with climate security. Stoves simply do not exist in a vacuum. Regards, Jock Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Aug 24, 2013, at 4:40 AM, [email protected] wrote: > [Default] On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:25:19 +0700,Paul Olivier > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Another New York Times article relating to climate change: > > OK enough is enough, please no one do not respond further to these > opinions on climate change, they are not relevant to [stoves] > > AJH > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Stoves] stove design goals are, thankfully, harmonious Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don't we all design and work for fuel efficiency, emission reduction and control, and lessening of women's menial labor? As long as we don't design for increased fuel consumption and increased green house gas emission our work is in harmony with mitigating climate change. Whether women's and children's health, or conservation, or climate change is foremost in our minds is not too important is it? Lucky for us, these goals are compatible and integrated. I think we can stop acting like there is a conflict here. bob lange Maasai Stoves and Solar www.internationalcollaborative.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/a ttachments/20130824/fa979a5a/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:25:56 -0700 From: Dean Still <[email protected]> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Blue Flame -- Natural Draft -- Rice Husk Message-ID: <ca+tshzu9+ghp24sxwnnt2varx7a4yeg2uaioof0v-cal3mp...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All, In my limited experience, blue flame is seen in TLUDs when the char starts to burn. Yellow flame is the hottest but is also associated with the production of black carbon. Reddish flame seems to be cleaner than yellow with less CO and PM. I'm thinking that cooling the flame results in less black carbon. As far as color goes, a great looking combination is blue at the top of the TLUD (burning the CO) and orange at the bottom when burning the char. Looks neat. Best, Dean On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Marc-Antoine Pare <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks all. As I mentioned, details coming quite soon. I've been > documenting daily since the start of the project, and plan to keep it up. > > Dean, do you have any documentation of the blue flames that are "often" > seen? > > I haven't been able to find a photo or paper on it. Many people *searching > *for blue flames. > > Of course, you get blue flames when you are burning charcoal in a wood > stove. I saw blue flames both at the beginning and ending phases of the > runs, so it's not just char burning that's responsible (which is high CO, > as you mention) > > marc > notwandering.com > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Dean Still <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marc, >> >> Blue flame in natural draft stoves is often seen when burning CO. It does >> not necessarily mean that the flame is very hot or very clean as in forced >> air stoves. >> >> Best, >> >> Dean >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Marc-Antoine Pare <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I've managed to repeat blue flames consistently in a rice husk stove >>> using only natural draft. >>> >>> Anyone seen this before? I am only aware of forced air stoves that >>> achieve blue flames. >>> >>> The photo below is just a teaser. The lighting is terrible and you can't >>> make out the column of blue flame because I'm shooting straight down. >>> >>> The smell is also quite motivating. Usually you get acquainted with the >>> "smell of defeat" with rice husk, since poor combustion smells quite >>> strong. So far, achieving odor on par with forced air units. >>> >>> More soon... >>> This will be part of a completely Open Source project >>> >>> [image: Inline image 1] >>> >>> marc >>> notwandering.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Stoves mailing list >>> >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>> [email protected] >>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>> >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org >>> >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stoves mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org >> >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists .org > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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