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----- Original Message ----- [truncated out of mercy for the reader] From: "Andy Driscoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hmmm. I see the name-calling potty-mouths . . . >. . .but it would be wise to have one's facts in order when arguing with reality. > > Andy Driscoll 'Nother slow day at the office, Andy? Seriously, those of us who know and love Dave know that his obsession with puns is second only to his propensity for sweeping generalizations. Referring to him as our Secretary of Wordplay hardly qualifies as potty-mouth name-calling. Nothing like the downright obscene threats you fling about as regards the lengthy moan about the "death of civility in political discourse". Since you obviously didn't read my post, I returned the favor, but I gained significantly more time to add to the relevant aspects of my life. Suffice to say that the GSE boondoggle is a perfect illustration of the unfeasibility and ineffectiveness of local control over widespread, corporate pollution from the bulldozing of the City Council to the toothless reaction of local courts. Dave's was a silly, ill-considered generalization and your usual ration of belligerent pontification about the roles of federal and state government only serve to prove my point. Corporations have no more "sovreignty" than persons before the law. They're just bigger than you. But then, what isn't? So, you see, I'm not nearly as "clever" as I am honest and that's the part that will always rankle the likes of you and Swift. Threaten me all you like, you're in fine company. Guy Western the West Side (I'm still a member of the Green Party, how about you?) > on 5/14/04 9:11 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [StPaul] GSE Ceases Operations, for now > > To: "StPaul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David Shove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Shove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "John Birrenbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> REMINDER: Only 2 Posts Per Day Per Person > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> On Thu, 13 May 2004, John Birrenbach wrote: > >> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> REMINDER: Only 2 Posts Per Day Per Person > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> Well, the plan developed by the government to help the American > >>> Farmer by increasing uses of Corn in the production of Ethanol, and > >>> as such the price has been successful. The price of corn is now over > >>> $3 a bushel. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately for GSE that price is just toooooooo high for them to > >>> pay, and on Tuesday of this week they ceased processing of corn, and > >>> as of this morning the plant is ceasing production. Another promise > >>> made by GSE, to help the American Farmer has been broken. They have > >>> shown their true light that they could care less about farmers, they > >>> could care less about St Paul, they could just frankly Care Less > >>> about anything other than the bottom line. > >> > >> Their bottom line is the line their bottoms make with their plush velvet > >> chairs. > >> > >> Another example of lack of local control. > > > > What on earth can you be talking about? The whole boondoggle was under > > "local control" from start to finish. > > > >> Everything in this area with a > >> widespread negative effect (eg GSE toxics on our air) should be open to > >> local citizen control. > > > > Another generalization-du-jour from the Secretary of Wordplay. > > > a) imagine the mess if water effluent standards (with potentially > > "widespread negative effect") along the Mississppi River were governed by > > each, local, individual municipality that dumps into it. We've been there, > > Dave, and done that. > > > b) the "local citizens" would have been bulldozed by GSE more easily than > > the City Council. > > > >> Corporate sovereignty must be removed wherever it > >> acts against the will of the community. We citizens should be the masters, > >> not the corporations or CEOs. The people should rule, not property. We > >> should take back the power that is ours. Ours, not theirs. Ours. > >> > >> --David Shove > >> Roseville > > > > There is no corporate "sovreignty". All the citizens aren't the like-minded > > "we" you seem to be imagining. "The local citizens" have conflicted > > interests in this issue that don't arise from the same viewpoint as that of > > Citizen David Shove. Some are more interested in employment, some see > > ethanol as a widespread benefit for we farmers and we motorists and we > > breathers of air as well, and all got bad information from Minn EPA. All > > are citizens, but not all are you, and I'm sorry to say that corporations > > have it just as easy taking advantage of your brand of muddled thinking as > > anyone else's. > > > > Guy Western > > the West Side > > _____________________________________________ > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > Archive Address: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
