Dan,

Speaking of voting with feet, I am unable to go to the Mai Village
smokeless event because they are still on my pro-stadium boycott list!


AMH
Fort (ty minutes to drive to the train station) Road


Andrew M. Hine
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The numbers firmly show that a majority of people in
Saint Paul support a smoking ban. It would easily pass
on a Citywide referendum. However, having just tried
to get a referendum on the City Ballot, a cap on
stadium spending, I can tell you it is no easy feat.

If Mr. Thompson wants to put it to a City wide vote,
he should gather the signatures. I'd rather work to
get 5 votes on the City Council, and just have to
change one vote now, rather than try to gather 7,000
signatures. Best of luck!

Secondly, regarding a recall, I will wager Mr.
Thompson a $1,000, to be given to the American Cancer
Society, that if the override passes, and he organizes
a recall campaign, like he is threatening, he won't
get enough signatures to get any names on the ballot.

On the other hand, I am already hearing a very strong
undercurrent, that the smoking issue will be used
against Kelly, Bostrom and Harris when they are up for
re-election. Kelly had a chance to be a real leader
and make Saint Paul the first smoke-free city in the
state, but he was so busy sucking up to the bar
owners, (because he needs their support for his
ill-fated Twins stadium), when St. Paul enacts a
smoking ban, it will be old news.

If you want to know how people are voting, just go the
Victoria Crossing East any day at lunch. The
non-smoking Cafe Latte has line out the door and there
is a wait for tables, while the smoking Bonfire is
half-empty. People are voting with their feet.

Dan Dobson
Summit Hill - Saint Paul


--- Tom & Elsa Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just an idea.  Why not put the vote for a smoking
> ban up to the voters of St Paul.  Let's put it on a
> referendum and see if it will pass.  I believe it's
> a small percentage of activists who are pushing this
> agenda.  I don't believe it would pass citywide
> referendum, if your for the ban are you sure it
> would pass the cities voters?  Let's find out and
> put it on the referendum.
>
> Should the city council vote for this ban, I am
> looking for people to assist in a possible recall
> campaign against any council member who votes for
> this ban.  Anyone know if this is possible and/or
> want to help?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom

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