Here's an example ... from Atlanta (a democratic stronghold) but the figures are 
likely to be typical regardless of the city.

http://www.researchatlanta.org/ExeSum/exeSum36_01.htm

  a.. 81 % of women and 77% of men gave to charity during the past year. 
  b.. 50 % of women and 46% of men volunteered during the past year. 
  c.. Individuals in the 45-60-age category gave and volunteered more than any other 
age group. 
  d.. Individuals in the $60-90,000 income category gave a greater percentage of their 
income and volunteered more than any other income group. 
  e.. As education increases so does the propensity to give and volunteer. 
  f.. Married individuals give and volunteer more than non-married individuals. 
  g.. Republicans give and volunteer more than Democrats and those who did not 
identify a political affiliation. 
  h.. 60 % of all respondents give to religion, followed by social services, youth 
programs, education, health, environment, and arts and culture organizations. Giving 
in each of these service areas exceeds national giving trends as reported in studies 
by the Independent Sector and the AAFRC ��Giving USA� study. 

Dennis Tester
Mac-Groveland
St. Paul


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Fratto 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:08 AM
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  I would like to see the statistics used by Mr Tester on the giving amount of Dems vs 
Reps.

  I would offer a comment before I see the statistics.  therefore these would be my 
opinion rather than based on facts.

  Republicans tend to make more money than Democrats.  Therefore the following is 
possible:  With more money they have more disposable income to support their favorite 
charities;  Their charities would more likely be the arts, which is great, than the 
poor; Some of this philanthropy is from Corporate giving rather than the rich; and 
finally, its really difficult for someone who is having a hard time paying rent, 
health care and or housing costs to have any excess to give to charity.

  Regardless of what the statistics show, I would think if you eliminated the poor who 
don't have any excess to give, eliminated corporate donations and then took the 
percentage of income donated, you would find that democrats and other so called 
liberals give a large portion than Republicans and conservatives.

  Mike Fratto
  Payne Phalen

  >>> "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/25/2004 9:42:07 AM >>>

  "I've got mine - good luck to you as I protect it."

  This is the common charge, of course.  But you seem to ignore the billions
  given to charities by private citizens, and the stats show that republicans
  give more to charity than democrats.  Where's the moral authority in simply
  giving your money to bureacratic programs and wash your hands of what
  actually happens to it?

  People who question the value of the bureacracy for delivering support to
  those who need it, shouldn't be dismissed as non-caring when the truth is,
  they may be giving more than you via their church or other charity, or
  (gasp!) actually helping the people in need, directly.

  Dennis Tester
  Mac-Groveland
  St. Paul



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Rick Mons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Cc: "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [StPaul] Privatization Advocates - Please answer the question.


  On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:30:55 -0500 "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  wrote:

  > The success of the "American Civilization" isn't due to its government
  > programs, but to the results of a free people who achieved in spite of
  > government, not because of it.
  >

  Seem to me that the above quote crystalizes a key philosophical distinction
  between Democrats and Republicans.  Democrats believe that  folks aren't
  going to fully achieve without aid from their government. In fact, I think
  we Democrats view it less as "government" and more as "society" with
  government serving as the conduit.

  It seems that today's anti-tax and anti- government Republicans (e.g. the Mn
  Taxpayers League) completely discount the societal value that these
  institutions provide under the hubris of self-congratulations and the
  apparent motivation of "I've got mine - good luck to you as I protect it."

  I've always appreciated the contributions that society has made that helped
  equip me to achieve. Those contributions have ranged from public schooling
  to libraries to financial aid to my university, etc. It's not clear to me
  how today's Republicans are able to (apparently) ignore those contributions
  or decide they're no longer needed.

  Rick Mons
       Tanglewood - Shoreview

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