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Bravo Renee!
 
It drives me up a wall that service providers and those in need in service are 
treated as one in the same.  They are not.  Service providers are always the 
one's at the table speaking as if they were the clients.  The bottom line needs 
of service providers are at times in direct conflict with the needs of clients. 
 In a discussion concerning police response, you can be assured that service 
providers would want the police to act as their agents when dealing with their 
clients.  
 
Good Job!
 
Chuck 
 
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From: Renee Jenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:15:24 -0500
Subject: [StPaul] The Police Roundtable


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I walked out of the police roundtable discussion today right after the 
introductions and a clarification of the mission.  Let me tell you why. 

The police roundtable discussions were set up a few years ago to help the 
police 
get a better understanding of the mentally ill and figure out more efficient 
and 
safer ways to meet their needs and the needs of the police.

The meeting I attended today had one representative from the St.Paul police 
department, about 15 representatives from different mental health service 
agencies in the city, one representative from the Ramsey County chapter of 
N.A.M.I. (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill- her son has a mental illness) 
and me (the Co-Chair of the Ramsey County Mental Health Advisory Committee and 
the only one who stated I had a mental illness).  

Before the meeting started I listened to a couple of the people talking.  One 
of 
the men was saying he had been somewhere and was stading in line with a couple 
of guys that looked like they were "clients" of the other guy.  

When the meeting started we all introduced ourselves and I asked for a 
clarification of the mission of the roundtable meetings.  They told me it was 
to 
work with the the police to find the best way to deliver services and help 
those 
struggling with mental illness.  I pointed out that there seemed to be a 
scarcity of both police and people with mental illness at the table.  

I had the understanding that the roundtable was to get a better dialogue 
between 
the police and people with mental illness.  I didn't know they just wanted to 
talk ABOUT us not WITH us. Boy am I stupid.

Anyway, when i figured that out, I told them that the meeting was a waste of my 
time and I left.  

If Chief Harrington and his people, and any of the other law enforcement 
agencies in Ramsey County, ever really want to open up that dialogue there are 
lots of strong, courageous people in this city who live everyday of their life 
with mental illness.  

Until till, don't claim that you are trying to understand our problems and 
needs 
by talking to people who might know us.  We're ill, not stupid.  

Renee Jenson
Como
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