Wow, your arrogance is astounding. How dare you accuse me of not "giving a 
shit" about the Mexican citizens or the US Border Patrol agent killed by those 
guns. When the hell did I ever say any such thing or that it didn't happen or 
that no one should be held accountable?

It seems to me that you did not bother to read the article. It squarely places 
the blame right where it belongs, on the permissive AZ gun laws that allows 
anyone to by as many guns as they want of any type for any reason as long as 
they sign a form saying it is for "personal use". Even when you can then 
"change your mind" and sell those same guns to anyone you please immediately 
after leaving the gun shop. And on the US Attorney Office who denied permission 
for the ATF agents to arrest those who they knew were running the guns into 
Mexico and sat on warrants for wire taps to track the money sources.

"If you did care, you'd want to know who was responsible for implementing such 
an operation. You'd want to know why it wasn't vetted. " The article also shows 
that this was properly vetted. If you did care, you'd read the article with an 
open mind rather than dismissing it as liberal propaganda and cover up. You 
wouldn't ignore the facts presented just because they don't fit your predefined 
(I mean, Fox News defined, also clearly delineated in the article ) opinions 
about this.

When did I say ANYTHING about Obama or Holder? This thread is the first time I 
have ever had anything to say about this subject. And yet you insist upon 
putting words into my mouth and proclaiming that you know all about my beliefs 
and then accuse me of all kinds of crap based upon your baseless, fact less 
accusations.

As for not releasing the papers requested by congress, since when has any 
responsible law enforcement agency released their papers on any ongoing 
investigation? That would be irresponsible, especially to an organization who 
wouldn't hesitate to release anything from it, even if taken out of context, to 
bolster their case. And, FYI, I absolutely do believe in congressional 
oversight of the Administrative and Judicial branches of government. I don't 
believe in using that as a political cudgel to score points for purely 
political reasons. Especially when those reasons are based on outright lies and 
distortions of the facts. Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Or molesting 
your children? See how it works? Baseless accusations and personal attacks in a 
form you can't even defend. They mean absolutely nothing and refusing to answer 
such ridiculous charges is not proof that you are still beating your wife and 
molesting your children or that you have something to hide.

Your argument about national security doesn't hold water either since you don't 
know what national security interests are at stake and you never will prior to 
the release of the documents. Of course, if there were national security 
interests revealed by their release you could then accuse the administration of 
not protecting them by having released the documents.

BTW, it was you who tried to split hairs by your selective editing of Bruce's 
original post. And as per your usual tactics, instead of discussing the facts 
and responding to my post directly, you resort to personal attacks and make up 
shit about me. You assume you know what I think and how I feel then proceed to 
belittle me based on your erroneous assumptions.
--
Brian

On Jun 27, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

> Splitting hairs looks a lot like flailing on your part. 
> 
> Obama suckups have denied that "Fast &Furious" was of any consequence for 
> over 18 months. They still do. They -- and you --  tried to ignore the story 
> because it might make your boy president look bad. You didn't give a shit and 
> still don't give a shit about the Mexicans citizens or US Border agent killed 
> by those guns. Much easier to convince yourself it didn't happen, or that 
> Holder or Obama shouldn't be held responsible for an idiotic operation that 
> occurred on their watch.
> 
> If you did care, you'd want to know who was responsible for implementing such 
> an operation. You'd want to know why it wasn't vetted. You'd want the 
> responsible agent "frog-marched" to prison.
> 
> But you're all a bunch of f*cking hypocrites when it comes to Obama and his 
> lap dog Holder, so you don't want to know. Instead, you mock others that want 
> to know. Well screw you!
> 
> Holder will now have to provide the documents. If he doesn't, Boehner can sue 
> and Holder will have to provide the requested documents to a judge, who will 
> look at them and determine if executive privilege applies. 
> 
> If needed to protect a vital national interest, executive privilege applies. 
> If needed protect the Holder DOJ or the Obama administration  from 
> embarrassment, then executive privilege doesn't apply.
> 
> Holder or Obama could have diffused it several months ago if they had nothing 
> to hide. They richly deserve all embarrassment they're bringing on themselves.
> 
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Brian Lawson wrote:
> 
>> Nice editing BTW. What he said did not happen is "the ATF _intentionally_ 
>> (emphasis mine) let guns into mexico?"
>> 
> 
> 
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