Vic,

Thanks for the clarification. I do want to stress again (because I know how
easily folks can be misunderstoon in this medium) that I was not criticizing
your offor or motives. I admire you for making the offer, and appreciate
your desire to inspire folks to move struts to a 1.1Final release. I do
think tho' that this clarification does make a bit more sense.

Thanks again for your support.

Dave Derry


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From: "V. Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> "offered only for reported bugs that don't already have a patch
submitted."
>
> OK.
> Also I meant new fixes to the current bugs, not any new ones.
>
> It was meant to help people focus. I have no way of helping existing
> contributors without being even more cheesy.
> And majority of people are doing it for many other reasons. There were
> posts prior of people asking other people to step up and support Struts,
> so I did.
>
> .V
>
>
> David Derry wrote:
> > Vic, this is a very generous offer, and I'm sure most appreciated. I'm
> > curious tho' how you came up with the figure of $135. When I want to
come up
> > with a round figure I think of $100 or $150, maybe $125. I'm curious how
you
> > arrived at the odd figure of $135.
> >
> > That aside, I posted bug #13030 against Validaor. But at the time that I
> > posted it, I also posted a patch. I noticed this problem because when I
got
> > into work that morning and started my app, Validator failed because the
> > Jakarta site was down. But stuts was able to initialize. I recalled
seeing
> > postings on the users list that struts was able to use the DTDs in the
jar
> > file. So I took the opportunity to determine how struts was able to do
this
> > when Validator didn't. The patch that I submitted was very simple, and
was
> > actually little more than a cut and paste from the struts initialization
> > code. Although, as I said, I appreciate and respect your offer, I would
feel
> > ...... oh I don't know..............cheesy if I were to accept your
offer.
> > There are any number of folks who have worked hard, and long hours I'm
sure,
> > to make struts a success who deserve much more. The little that I have
> > contributed has already paid me back more than I have actually
contributed,
> > merely from the knowledge that I gained making this patch. Also, it made
me
> > feel REALLY GOOD to be able to contribute that little bit.
> >
> > Another thing, and again I am not criticizing, your offer is extremely
> > generous; but in this case at least a patch was submitted at the time
that
> > the bug was reported. Your reward, I feel, would be more effective if it
was
> > offered only for reported bugs that don't already have a patch
submitted.
> > That would provide insentive for someone to fix the problem. There
really
> > isn't much insentive in the case where a patch has already been
submitted.
> >
> > So I would like to thank you for your offer, but it just doesn't seem
right
> > to me that someome (like myself) could fix one little bug and get paid
for
> > it when others have devoted so much time and effort for nothing more
than th
> > e satifaction that they get, and the thanks of those whose jobs they
have
> > made easier. I personally have benefited far more than I have
contributed.
> > And I have learned a great deal from lurking on the mailing lists. That
is
> > more than payment enough for me. I just wish that I was able to
contribute
> > more.
> >
> > I want to express my thanks, as well as my respect and admiration, for
every
> > one who has worked so hard; who have sacrificed so much time and effort,
to
> > make struts the great product that it is. I have learned a great deal
from
> > you guys.
> >
> > Dave Derry
> >
> >



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