On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Bill Johnson wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bill Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: What's next for Struts?
>
> Thanks for passing that on.  I have read it now.  So I
> can infer that Struts will likely become an
> implementation of JSF.

I don't know the basis for you inferring that this is "likely" -- but it
is certainly feasible, and might very well be a very great idea -- but
that's up to the Struts developer community to decide.

>  That makes total sense given
> its popularity.  It seems though that there will be a
> fair amount of overlap and that the version of Struts
> that implements the JSF spec will be quite different
> from the Struts we know today.
>

Not necessarily.

It's quite clear already that you can treat JavaServer Faces as a
rendering library nad continue to use existing Struts based application
design architectures.  Enabling this was the whole point of my developing
the Struts-Faces integration library.

http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/release/struts-faces/

> It also infers that companies like BEA and IBM will
> have implementations of JSF

Having more than one implementation of JavaServer Faces in the world seems
pretty much assured already.  Next week, being JavaOne week, seems like a
likely candidate for announcements in this regard :-).  But you'll have to
ask individual companies for their own plans regarding JavaServer Faces.

> and that JSF will be a
> requirement of the J2EE spec.  Can anyone confirm that
> JSF will be a requirement of the J2EE spec for app
> server vendors, etc?

JavaServer Faces is *not* part of the J2EE 1.4 specification.  Whether it
will or will not be part of of J2EE 1.5 depends on what the expert group
for J2EE 1.5's JSR decides to do.  Nobody knows at this point.

>
> Ted, you're one of the better known Struts people
> right?  What do you think of JSF?  For that matter,
> what do all of the Struts devs think of JSF?
>

I'm not Ted, but I am the original developer of the Struts Framework.  As
it happens, part of my "day job" is to be the co-spec-lead for JavaServer
Faces, so I have more than a little bit to do with how that turns out :-).
Trust me ... Struts oriented developers and users *definitely* need to pay
attention to what is going on with JavaServer Faces.

> I think there should be more discussion on this topic
> as I'm sure its on the minds of many more people than
> those at my company.  I've CCed user list for that
> input.
>
> By the way, thanks for creating a great software
> framework!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill

Craig McClanahan

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