--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I working on something similar right now too, but using the FormProc 
> package. I believe that we should represent entire input form in XML, 
> including things like the default control type and field labels, and so 
>   forth, along with prompts, error messages, validations, and type 
> conversions. Ideally, we should be able to write a default form just by 
> reference to an XML element.
> 
> What I like about FormProc is that is not focussed on JavaBeans, but on 
> the process of validating a list of parameters against a form definition
> 
> and then transferring the validated properties to some target object. 
> The object can also be a Map, which makes for a very nifty hand-off to 
> something like a Context. =:)
> 
> In fact, expanding on the DynaForm idea, it might also be possible to 
> create a type-safe Context backed by a XML-configured form object. We 
> could then use the same XML document on both layers. On the presentation
> 
> layer, it can generate and/or validate the data-entry form. On the 
> business layer, it can define the properties expected by a Context.
> 
> Of course, this is much like what we've been talking about doing for the
> 
> Validator, but right now the emphasis there seems to be on the JavaBean 
> and moving away from the form, where I believe we should be emphasizing 
> the form and moving away from (pure) JavaBeans.

I disagree.  Limiting Validator to forms isn't needed.  The business layer
doesn't deal with "forms" it deals with Java objects.  If validation is to
happen in the business layer, Validator needs to be bean oriented.  An
HTML form is just one type of JavaBean that Validator can perform
validations on.

David


> 
> -Ted.
> 
> Don Brown wrote:
> > In the aforementioned stxx (http://stxx.sf.net) project, I've been
> working
> > on combining Struts with xmlforms (http://www.xmlform.org) to create
> > Struts ActionForms that use plain XML as the model.  Using pure XML as
> the
> > model has several advantages over javabeans I believe:
> > 
> > - Quicker development
> > - Use of XPath for powerful data access
> > - Many different validation options (schematron, xsd, relax-ng, etc)
> > - Ability to simultaneously expose forms as document-based SOAP web
> > services
> > 
> > While xml mapping toolkits have gotten better, I found keeping the
> model
> > in XML saves development time, and with xpath and JDOM, the data can
> be
> > accessed much quicker (in development time, not runtime of course).
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> 
> 
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