Subject: Re: "Struts Fast Track" review From: Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> === Can you really learn by reading code and not applying it? My teaching approach is to let people struggle so that they learn. Some like it, some don't. The idea is that I do not have to prove that I can do this. I do not think programming books should be read, they should be done. If you do not struggle, you might not learn. So the book give you just enough to do the labs, and it is a code intensive book. People in our industry that are not popular with me are the ones that read headlines of J2EE technologies and put them on their resume, with only superficially knowledge, and 0 first hand experience. Then they feel that they "know" something (In the book I say, if you read a book about surgery, are you a surgeon? And similar.) I believe in applied technology so hence, it is lab intensive. So I guess if you do not like to code labs (and create your own web PIM) I should make it clear that I do not aim my book at you (or really any managers). I meant it at programmers who want to become software engineers and learn a framework and apply it. So when they ask you at an interview, what have you done in Struts? You can say : I wrote a PIM from scratch, would you like to see it? And then show them MVC power.
And you can download the solution on baseBeans.com if you can't solve a lab. Did you read that part of the book? There is a news.basebeans.com / mvc-programmers that was meant to ask questions on labs, etc. but I guess if you get stuck you can ask here on Struts. I tried not to cover JSP or Servlet things that are out there in 12 other book, but things that are important to development that are not in other books and touch on those topics. So some people say this is not for total newbies, but java programmers who have not yet applied Struts. So no intro to JSP or Servlets here. And yes, I do work iteratively. It would be most helpful to give specific feedback (news.basebeans.com / mvc-programmers ideally) on how to improve something or a better way to do it, or even .... Offer to do it. I am thinking in 2nd edition of teaching how to do 5 action classes, than 5 model classes than 5 view classes. This version does one screen with 3 classes, 5 times. (To build a PIM). My feelings on my work of art, but comments? Vic Dick Starr wrote: > Cody, > > Vic does Struts training. If I recall correctly, he did a three day course > in Texas last December. I expected the book to be based on his course, but > was also hoping for much more. > > Vic posted the following on December 18th: "My intention was to get out > something timely, but imperfect (as per "Cathedral and Bazaar") and expose > it to day light ... (my 2nd edition will be with a major publisher, and more > writers/editors (based on my public training) due in 8 months ... ". > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: "Struts Fast Track" review > > > >> >>I recieved my copy of the book just 2 days ago. >>This book seems more like a companion to some course that must be >>instructor led. >>What good are these exercises if they contain no answers? >>I can sit and make up exercises all day! >>I appreciate the author's attempt to shed some light on the world of >>struts, >>but I would definately have to say that I do not beleive he has succeeded. >>I think trioal and error will teach me faster. >> >>- Cody >> >> >> >> >> >>Dick Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 01/15/2002 09:41:12 AM >> >>Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: struts-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>cc: >>Subject: "Struts Fast Track" review >> >> >>Thanks Vic, for wanting to help others learn Struts. However, as you point >>out in your book, you are not an author. I would rate this book at 1/2 >> > star > >>of a possible 5. I suppose it's true that you can do the exercises and get >>up on Struts, but I think that there is more useful information of this >>type >>on the web. >> >>I am new to both Struts and Java, and have been buying lots of books. I >>have >>been very happy with every Wrox book I have purchased. "Professional JSP >>2nd Edition" has an excellent chapter on Struts by Steve Wilkinson. >>"Professional JSP Site Design" is my favorite book so far, with an >>introductory struts chapter with a database example by Sathya Narayana >>Panduranda and three additional chapters with a database example by Ted >>Husted. I would rate both these books at 5 stars. >> >>Ted Husted will have a book out in a few months, see >>http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/index.htm . >> >>Dick Starr >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: < >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>For additional commands, e-mail: < >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> > received > >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >>computer. >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
