It can backfire, but this one was less of a risk than I usually take, given that 
Struts is standards complient. My boss is pitifully grateful when I do ANYTHING that 
is standard, so permission was quite forthcoming. (I actually work in our standard 
group, so I am viewed as a rebel because I use Linux most of the time in a heavily M$ 
department)

Simon

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:42 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Struts Vs. Sun J2EE Compliance and Design Patterns
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>
>Though some times this approach can back fire on you.
>
>Some companies would rather shot them selves is the foot then 
>do something
>a person in management does not want to do (IF you did not ask 
>first).  I
>found that instead of trying to
>make the person hang themselves it is easier to make it look 
>like you are
>following
>their rules, and that is why you went with struts.
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eddie Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: Struts Vs. Sun J2EE Compliance and Design Patterns
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>
>> Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>>
>> >>Sometimes, the best technique is to just sit back and give
>> >>people enough
>> >>rope to hang themselves.  I've done it in the past, I'm doing
>> >>it right now
>> >>on the contract I am on, and I'm sure I'll have to do it 
>in the future.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I don't even wait to see if they hang themselves, I usually 
>just get on
>and do it and hope for their sakes that they try to catch up 
>with me. On my
>current project, I started using Struts and got the rest of 
>the team using
>Struts and then when we had enough work done that ripping it 
>out would have
>been difficult, we asked if we could get approval from our architecture
>group for using Struts. :-)
>> >
>> LOL - S M O O T H, man - really S M O O T H :-)  I like that!  LOL
>>
>> Eddie
>>
>>
>>
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