Greg, I started this thread about a week ago, because I was in need of sharing my experience, and think we had a lot of interesting comments pro and against .Net and J2EE.
My personal view: corporate developers need to deliver production code faster and faster. In most occasions, these codes are disposable, since they are just providing a short term solution. In such arena, M$ is the master. That's why I see many companies in Brazil, that still use Access & Excel based apps. Fast and easy. Open source software has the advantage of providing plenty of choice, however productivity is still not at its best level. Fact: it's a lot more difficult to get productive in Struts/Java/MySQL, than in .Net/SQL Server. Personally, I still need something that let me get home early to see my family during the whole week :) Java/J2EE/Struts tools are getting better, but VS.Net is still the better integrated environment. I should mention here that I'm for Open Source, not against :) Cheers, Elder On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:11:16 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu : > De: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Data: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:11:16 -0500 > Para: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Assunto: RE: Java Server Faces and Developer Life Comments > > I guess this thread is mostly dead <g>, but I felt compelled to offer my > 2c. > > I recently had to do an analysis of development software I'm using for > my boss to ensure that our licenses are up to date and whatnot. I was > blown away by the fact that there's not a single piece of software > critical to my development efforts that costs a dime. All of the tools > and platforms I'm using for development, with the exception of Windows > 2000 and Office 2000 are free. Even the OS and Office software could be > free if I just took the time to switch. > > Granted our integration and deployment efforts are another story. We > have to keep multiple OS's and app servers maintained to ensure our > deployment works, but when you think about some 100 - 150 developers > using a minimum $1000 - $2000 worth of software apiece that can all be > replaced with quality software that costs nothing -- that's a > significant cost savings. > > Now, the other issue is the integrated "drag & drop" development that is > offered by MS. I personally wouldn't mind having that although it's not > critical to me. In fact there's nothing more frustrating than being > forced into workarounds because your tool doesn't give you low-level > access to code. We used to do that crap in VB all the time. I don't > know if .NET fixes that. The integrated thing seems more than possible > for Java. Somebody just needs to do it. > > For me, the power of choice and platform independence that is offered by > J2EE is worth the extra development effort it takes. In fact, I don't > think we're expending any more effort with J2EE than we were with MS > development a couple of years ago. > > Microsoft has always been good at taking someone else's idea and > marketing it for themselves. I think .NET is the next iteration of that > taken from J2EE. No doubt they'll be successful at it. But I think and > hope that the Java community is large enough and strong enough to keep > them from dominating the market like they have in other areas. If drag > and drop, point and click integrated development is the only advantage > they offer and it comes with the disadvantage of vendor lock-in, I'm > certainly not going to switch for that... > > Greg > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Elderclei R Reami Vertis Tecnologia +55 11 3887-0835 www.vertisnet.com.br -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
