Adrian, I've used WebObjects since it's 3.5 release (1998ish). Over the last 18 months or so, I've had various consulting gigs, many porting from a WebObjects to J2EE app servers.
The meat and potatoes of WebObjects is EOF (object mapping framework) and WOF (dynamic html generation framework). EOF is an extremely powerful O/R mapping framework that has been around way before the internet boom started. It was originally written in Objective C and later ported to Java. One of EOF's major criticisms is it's learning curve. You really need some time to get your head around it. I suppose WOF is comparable to struts. Same idea, but very different design. Actually, the only people I ever heard complain about the limitations of struts are WebObjects developers. Once you are familiar with WOF, you can get a lot done quickly. Another major criticism is it's IDEs (ProjectBuilder and WOBuilder). If you spend enough time under the covers, you quickly realize that Apple spent most of it's time developing is frameworks....and a lot less time on it's IDEs. In most organizations, it's the 'higher ups' that make decision on which app server to use. These are the type of people that are impressed auto method selection features with IDEs instead of the stuff that's behind it. I would suggest looking to WO a little further. Depending on your situation, it can be a very productive tool. One a side note, my experiences porting WebObjects applications to J2EE has been sobering. I've often been astonished the amount of code that has to be written to solve the same problem. :-| Cheers, Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: David Blevins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:20 AM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: Apple Web Objects > > > Hi Adrian, > > Just wanted to add a note about WebObjects and EJBs. Apple has been > using OpenEJB to support EJBs since WebObjects 5.1. So, you can write > all the EJB 1.1 beans that you want and they will interoperate from > WebObjects' EOF and other parts of WebObjects. > > If you look at the WebObjects' "Tech Spec" page, OpenEJB, OpenORB, and > Tyrex are listed, but they don't give URLs, so here they are: > http://openejb.sourceforge.net > http://openorb.sourceforge.net/ > http://tyrex.sourceforge.net/ > > Regards, > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:59 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Apple Web Objects > > > > > > Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on > > Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I was > > mildly surprised to search the archives of theserverside and > > the Struts users list and find no reference to 'Apple Web Objects'. > > > > I was wondering if anyone had come across them in > > their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive, > > throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if > > it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net, > > right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ... > > > > At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into > > further? > > > > > > Home page: > > http://www.apple.com/webobjects > > > > Flashy pic: > > http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjectsOverv > iew/WOHTML/index.html > > Thanks, > > Adrian > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ********************************************************************** This message, including any attachments, contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. TIAA-CREF ********************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
