I think two different issues have sort of gotten mixed up in this discussion. At least it appears that way to me. First, there are the legal requirements that Craig pointed (for example including ASL in the documentation). The second issue, which is where the "Powered By Struts" stuff came up was the fact that there is a statement on the "Powered By Struts" (look under Resources on the main Struts page) that says: "As of 2002-Jul-31, pages linked here must indicate that they are "powered by Struts" or otherwise credit the Apache Software Foundation pursuant to item 3 of the <a href="http://apache.org/LICENSE";>Apache Software License</a> ("This product includes software developed by the Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/)." These appear to be two different issues. As I understand it the first issue is describing what one has to do to distribute something using Struts and it does not say that you have to say "Powered By Struts" on the produced website, but the above acknowledgement(i.e "This product includes...") must appear either in "end-user documentation" or "in the software itself, if and wherever such third-party acknowlegements normally appear." In order to listed in the "Powered by Struts" Resources page, you do have to have something on your website or (I assume) they can remove your site from the list. It seems like what they are saying is if you want the Struts site to mention your site as a reference user, the least your site can do is acknowledge that you used Struts (or Apache). Seems reasonable to me. Hopefully Craig or someone else will pipe up if I got this wrong. Chris Seekamp |---------+-----------------------------> | | "Mazza, Glen R, | | | PERSCOM" | | | <Glen.Mazza@hoffma| | | n.army.mil> | | | | | | 09/12/2002 08:15 | | | AM | | | Please respond to | | | "Struts Users | | | Mailing List" | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [LEGAL] RE: sites powered by struts | | | | | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I thought so. In other words, nothing needed because you're not redistributing the libraries--the Apache software license explicitly covers both redistribution and use, but only explicitly requires attribution for *redistribution*. But to "use" the SW, e.g., Struts on the server, nothing needs to be attributed (although it would be good to do so). But Craig in last week's response wrote that you did have to, so I was unsure. I suspected 100's-1000's of sites are using Struts without attribution, because the license doesn't require it (and that managers of those sites might balk at allowing the use of Struts if the developers were required to make note of Apache on the site). Glen > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Ball [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [LEGAL] RE: sites powered by struts > > > On 9/11/2002 at 1:37 PM David Graham wrote: > > >Oops, I stand corrected. I read the archive and apparently > you do. I > >don't > >see this as a reason not to use struts though. It's not like people > >actually read those legal pages :-) > > Not true. If you use struts on your web site or application, > you are not > required to include any acknowledgements. If you distribute a web > application which uses struts, your documentation must include the > acknowledgements as per section 3 of the asl. > > - donald > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: < mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: < mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
