that's exactly the same behaviour in switzerland if you do university
(only theory and only a few pratic)
the degree I do is a special one with less theory and more pratic (
the second year we have to do 5 projects :
-1 to integrate oriented object programming
I had choose accessing accross network computer ressource.
(I used Eiffel)
-1 to integrate database programming
I had choose to implement a framework for security management,
for any database driven application.
(I used Kylix and Postresql)
-1 for mathematical use (vectorial,matricial math for 2d programming)
(java and my own math lib)
-1 for learning working in group
(I only have done data modeling)
-1 for diploma
(I choose an information system to manage a
school,student,prof,activity etc..)
(java /struts/swing)
I hate theory I like pratic ;)
--
Alexandre Jaquet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel H. F. e Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
> Hi all,
> Just my two cents.
>
> Craig's viewpoint is good for american-like degrees. But there are many
different
> education systems all over the world.
> For example, in my country (Brazil), Comp Sci bachelor's degree from
public universities don't
> teach nothing more than old theory. We study Automata theory, Graph
theory, Calculus, Algebra,
> Physics, Statistics and Algorithms as course basis and we have specialized
disciplines where we
> study more specific theory like: DataBases theory, Operating Systems
theory, Programming Language
> theory, Compilers theory, Data transmission, Computer Networks, Computer
Networks Management,
> Artificial Intelligence, Functional programming, Logic programming,
Object-Oriented programming,
> Object-Oriented analysis, Project management, etc.
> And at my university (University of Brasilia) we have to take some
optional (not so much)
> courses to get our degree. They are: Management, Accounting, Economics,
Sports, Political science,
> Philosophy, English, Operational research, Law science etc.
> Our professors don't teach programming languages like Java, C, Pascal,
Lisp, Prolog, FORTRAN.
> They delegate this task to students.
> I think it is a hard course but it's worth it.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel.
>
> --- apachep2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sorry, I am not intended to offend any one subscribed to this list. I
> > just can't be more agreed with Craig's view. BTW, I was actually
> > forwarding this email to my boss but accidentally click the Reply.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: apachep2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: March 31, 2003 9:57 AM
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: Does a degree matter?
> >
> > This guy always has a different but brighter/cleverer view than others.
> > No wonder why he is leading the development of many open source
> > projects.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: March 30, 2003 12:45 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Arron Bates wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:36:21 -0600
> > > From: Arron Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Does a degree matter?
> > >
> > > Brandon,
> > >
> > > If you can do the deed (which it sounds like you can), I would hazard
> > offering
> > > my opinion in thinking that it wouldn't be the best use of your time.
> > By
> > > education I'm a graphic designer, not a computer scientist. First job
> > was web
> > > design, programmer ever since. Results... I've only had two places not
> > take me
> > > on because it's not a computer degree. Two interviews of hundreds.
> > >
> >
> > My personal experience (both for myself and for folks I have hired over
> > the years) mirrors this -- indeed, my personal opinion is that a Comp
> > Sci
> > degree is worth less (to me as an employer) than a degree in some field
> > that is more closely associated with the general needs of potential
> > employers.
> >
> > Why? A couple of reasons:
> >
> > * Many folks who go for Comp Sci degrees obsess over learning the
> > particular technologies being taught in their classes, at the expense
> > of courses to improve your general thinking skills. Any specific
> > technology you learn in your first year is going to be totally
> > obsolete by the time you graduate from the program anyway, so why
> > bother? The important skill to employers (at least from my viewpoint)
> > is that you've learned how to quickly adapt your existing skills to
> > new technologies as they become available. Also, the fundamentals
> > of good architecture and design practices tend to change much more
> > slowly than the favorite language de jour -- so if you decide to go
> > for Comp Sci, focus on fundamentals like O-O, design patterns,
> > and so on.
> >
> > * Many folks who go for Comp Sci degrees are so focused on the technical
> > things, and don't accumulate any domain knowledge along the way that
> > would make you *more* valuable to potential employers than another
> > Comp Sci graduate with similar skills. If you're building e-commerce
> > systems, do you know anything about the fundamental accounting
> > principles involved in tracking purchases? If you're building
> > systems to introduce novices to the world of online information,
> > have you ever studied any human factors engineering? If you're
> > building trading systems for a Wall Street broker, do you have the
> > slightest idea how stock and commodity exchanges work?
> >
> > It may surprise some of you to find out that I don't have a Comp Sci
> > degree at all -- instead, I got a BA in Business with a focus on
> > Accounting. This was ***tremendously*** helpful in setting me apart
> > from
> > everyone else who was learning programming and systems analysis in those
> > days -- I could immediately communicate with the end users responsible
> > for
> > the systems we were building, using their vocabulary, without having to
> > be
> > trained -- in addition to the fact that I was a fair-to-middlin'
> > programmer :-).
> >
> > If you are looking at going to college today (either because it's that
> > time in your life, or because the job market sucks right now), I would
> > suggest thinking about a primary major other than Comp Sci (with a Comp
> > Sci minor to keep your hand in on all the technical stuff). The name of
> > the game is making yourself more valuable, relative to everyone else out
> > there -- and, quite frankly, there are more interesting things in the
> > world than just computers and web apps :-).
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
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