--- "Bailey, Shane C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I should have put the smiley face closer to the conspiracy statement. 
> That
> was a joke.
> 
> I think having $ in a tag is a skewed perception of a tag.  I have only
> ever
> seen such things in scripts or macros.  I can't remember using a $ in
> anything but a scripting language (personally).
> 
> Anyway, I just look at those tags and cringe.  Wonder why they couldn't
> have
> been written like, well, a real tag?
> 
> I am just trying to understand and play devil's advocate kinda like
> Ranko
> did and therefore why I mentioned him in my original message.  Just
> something I don't see the point in (these untags) and so wondered what
> others thought.
> 
> I guess I should have waited until Friday when people are in a more
> jovial
> mood.

It would also help if you placed [OT] at the front of the subject line. 
IMO, the struts-user isn't a good place to discuss why you like/dislike
the JSTL tags.  It's futile anyways because they're not going to change
the JSTL just because some people are complaining about it on the
struts-user mailing list :-).

I've never had to use an expression similar to the one in your example in
any of my apps.  The JSTL gives you powerful expressions to use when you
need them but most of the time you can get by with simple stuff if you do
most of the work in real Java classes.

David

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these
> tags
> libs ?
> 
> --- "Bailey, Shane C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> > 
> > As Ranko asked, about the redundancy of Struts I would like to know
> that
> > the
> > heck is the deal with SOME of these tag libs out there?
> > 
> > I mean, look at this: <c:if test="${index%2==0}"> and look at this: <%
> > if(index.intValue()%2==0){ %>
> > 
> > I like NOT to use Java scriptlets in my JSPs and I am pretty decent at
> > achieving that but
> > 
> > if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and
> not
> > a
> > true tag why
> > 
> > have people (code maintainers and the original coder in the first
> place)
> > learn a new "language"
> > 
> > and just use a scriptlet?
> 
> If you extend your example to use nested properties, maps, lists, etc
> you
> will start to see why the <c:if> tag is easier.
> 
> >
> > Seeing $var like tag code that makes me think this is some sort of
> > conspiracy so that all the 
> > 
> > UNIX admins, with their UNIX scripts, who needed new jobs, since
> WinTel
> > is
> > taking over, 
> 
> This is a rather skewed perception of reality.
> 
> David
> 
> > starting
> > 
> > writing "tag" libraries.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I mean really, what is the deal with these so called "tags" that
> aren't
> > tags?
> > 
> > JavaScript was cool when it came out (and wasn't developed by Sun)
> > because
> > if you knew Java then 
> > 
> > you were about 90% there to being a great JavaScripter.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > So I say Ranko, are you just as bewildered at this as I am?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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