Well Ive always been a salary monkey but fwiw my advice is that charging an
hourly rate is probably be appropriate.

The hard bit of course is giving them an accurate estimate of how many hours
they can expect you to take to do their project! If you say it will take 400
hours and then you bill them for 800, they arent going to be too happy.

If you end up charging on a per-project basis then obviously try to avoid
scope-creep like the plague. If its a a fixed price you can be sure the
requirements will have a tendency to grow if you dont keep an eye on it!

I hope it all works out well :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Sasha Borodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 23:23
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT - how much to java web developers charge?


I'm really just trying to understand the per/hour vs. per/project
difference.  But...

-I'm in Dallas, TX
-I'd be working for myself
-I've got 3 medium sized projects under my belt with java, much more with
other web-app technologies.

The problem is that these clients are medium-size businesses; they aren't
"offering" a rate, it's up to me to tell them how much I charge, what they
can expect the total to come out to, etc.  Being new to *paid* work ;-) I'm
just trying to understand what's reasonable.

-Sasha

> From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:12:46 +0800
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: OT - how much to java web developers charge?
>
> Another shopping cart? ye gods. Im surprised sun havent made it a
primitive:
> private shoppingcart _bob;
> public shoppingcart getBob() {...
>
> It also rather depends on whether you are a highly experienced developer
> with a portfolio of previous contract successes or a lowly salaried
keyboard
> monkey trying in vain to escape the cube farm.
>
> Rates and prices do vary considerably between regions. The rate in
> California for example is unlikely to be the same as the rate in London
and
> certainly not the same as the rate in Chennai. You may want to give a bit
of
> info on where you are and such like.
>
> Over here I reckon a new contractor would be lucky to find anything over
$2k
> a month (1.1k US) for something as ordinary as a shopping cart now that
the
> economy has gone up a certain creek without a manual propulsion aid...
> (Thats being a slave to a bodyshop. Trying to contract on your own? hehe
> good luck...)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Raible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 22:39
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: OT - how much to java web developers charge?
>
>
> It really depends on what clients are willing to pay.  In Denver, the
going
> rate for Java Developers is 45-55 hour.  A few years ago, it was easy to
get
> 75-100/hour.
>
> Times a changin'.
>
> HTH,
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sasha Borodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:24 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: OT - how much to java web developers charge?
>
>
> I though this would be an appropriate group of people to ask:
>
> What is the industry-standard compensation structure/level for java web
> application development?  Like if a company said they need a shopping cart
> e-store, and the developer has to design the database, beans, actions,
> jsp's, etc.?
>
> Do the professionals charge per hour?  If so what's the range?  Or by the
> size of the project?
>
> Thanks for any insight.
>
> -Sasha
>
>
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