--- Mark Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 07:30 PM, David Graham wrote: > > > > > --- Mark Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Godfrey > >> > >> I think what folks are trying to say is that the SQL stuff is > separate > >> to the struts stuff, and this is kind of what its about. There is a > >> data source definition that confuses the hell out of people new to > >> struts as it seems to implicitly suggest that it should be used. > >> > >> However most of the folks advise against its use as it encourages > >> breaking with MVC.. That said, there are examples in the > documentation > >> and if you're used to quick dirty SQL in html pages then using struts > >> even when breaking MVC is still progress. > >> > >> You'll want some JDBC references and google will find you some. > >> > >> when you've got the hang of doing SQL (JDBC) stuff in your struts > >> flavored webapp. I really dont know why folks get so snobby about > >> people breaking with MVC to get started.. > > > > I wouldn't describe the responses as "snobby". The question was > > confusing > > because Struts has nothing to do with SQL Server or database access in > > general. You can code JDBC in Struts actions just like a normal > > Servlet > > app. There is no "Struts way" to do database access. > > I know that, you know that, some poor sod with SQLServer and obviously > little java experience perhaps doesn't. The datasource configuration in > struts config does can lead to folks think there is..
I agree, and that's one reason I think the <data-source> configuration should be deprecated and removed. It served its purpose in the beginning but now IMO Struts really has no business dealing with DataSources at all. David > > > > > >> The funny thing is its the > >> same folks recommending JSTL which have SQL as part of the lib. > > > > That's like saying you shouldn't use JSP because it lets you create > > confusing scriptlets. You don't have to use the JSTL's sql tags just > > like > > you don't have to use JSP scriptlets for them to both be good > > technologies. > > I guess what I said could be read like that.. But tags aren't the same > as embedding java in your jsp's. At least you can port the java code > out of jsp's, and the java is still java. The stuff you learn using > scriptlets is useful across the board and thus perhaps less of a waste > of time. If you used SQL tags then what use is that? Where you going to > go with them? > > So no sorry, its not like saying scriptlets are bad for this reason, > its really quite different. > > Mark > > > > > David > > > >> > >> When you've done all that and you've seen what a pain it can be, > >> you'll > >> naturally arrive at the point where you'll hate SQL and be gagging > for > >> an object-relational bridge. But I'd worry about this when you get > >> here.. > >> > >> Hope this helps > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 05:26 PM, Lynn Guy wrote: > >> > >>> Let's restate the question... > >>> I'm new to struts and my database is SQL Server. Can > >>> someone point me in the correct direction where to > >>> find out how to set up an environment that utilizes > >>> these two to build an application? > >>> > >>> --- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> --- Jayson Falkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> Hi Godfrey, > >>>>> > >>>>> I can't think of any, but I'm positive you would > >>>> get some pointers if > >>>>> you asked the Struts user list. I'll send a copy > >>>> this to the list. > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anyone know of a good Struts tutorial that > >>>> also deals with using > >>>>> SQL Server? > >>>> > >>>> They are completely unrelated topics. Struts > >>>> actions should never know > >>>> where you're getting your data. > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Jayson Falkner > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Hey Jayson, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Know any decent struts tutorials when using it > >>>>>> on top of SQL Server? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hope all is well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Godfrey Nolan > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> __________________________________ > >>>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>>> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > >>>> search > >>>> http://shopping.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
