Jar bundler that comes with apple dev tools lets you make double clickable mac style (apple menu bar as well) apps out of java utils like antidote, jcvs and struts console. With a copy of bbedit or even project builder as a text editor.
I keep returning to trying out IDE's as i do like the idea of a GUI for development (well I'm a mac user after all), but they add an additional layer of complication and users end up asking really silly questions because they don't really know what's going on.
Utils like antidote and struts console still give you a clear idea of what it is you're doing. And as they are bundled into an app osx allocates it resources so you machine doesn't grind to a halt.
I like the jcvs idea, but I haven't used it that much, I'm just used to using the terminal, and bbedit (and project builder) has support for cvs update and such like.
The only thing missing is the code coaching, i believe that jedit has some provision for this. But I'm sure xcode will support this. I've seen some folks use coaching as a way of randomly trying stuff without really understanding the api so I'm not really convinced that its as helpful as all that.
Antidote also builds much, much faster than using ant at the terminal.
I've also bolted ant onto project builder which runs faster than eclipse. But you have to use ant tasks to get around stuff. I also haven't managed to get the container logs printing to the debug window yet. That all said its still better than the myriad of the swing based IDE's thats are in circulation.
I'd like to see webobjects concentrated on the model rather than the control and presentation layers. The mapping tools are really nice but the webobjects framework seems to be too restricting to give sitebuilders what they want. I think a move by apple to support java development alla apache would attract yet more developers away from windoze and linux and thus offset any losses by decreased webobjects sales.
Personally I think apple should shut up about java support until they get ant support in project builder, frankly its been long enough now. That said, its support is still much better than windoze and linux. Project builder does facilitate the bringing together of desperate resources into one interface, but needs some effort to get it doing what we want as non webobjects webapp developers. The other point is do you really need to be able to view the common libraries that span across a few projects in a project centred way, I'd suggest not, javadocs are fine.
So there's my 2 pence, antidote and struts console and any other handy little utils around. These are much more in tune with the mac user mentality of making things simple, but not by adding more layers of complication. I've used the same approach when using windoze and linux. Hopefully xcode will do the business but its fair to say that project builder and xcode have been developed for cocoa development rather than for webapp development.
Cheers Mark
On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 05:12 PM, Nguyen, Hien wrote:
I'm actually writing my struts application using Eclipse + Tomcat on my PowerBook 17" and Safari for the pages. Its sweet!
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:57 AM To: struts-wankers Subject: for the Apple-biters
...just ran across this URL and thought I'd pass it along FWIW:
http://developer.apple.com/internet/java/struts.html
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