Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'm not there yet, but have made progress. I'll report back later.
- Bill (Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 2.) On Jun 11, 2013 11:00 AM, <stumpwm-devel-requ...@nongnu.org> wrote: > Send Stumpwm-devel mailing list submissions to > stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > stumpwm-devel-requ...@nongnu.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > stumpwm-devel-ow...@nongnu.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Stumpwm-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Totally confused about starting up applications... > (Bill Zimmerly) > 2. Re: Totally confused about starting up applications... > (Servilio Afre Puentes) > 3. Re: Totally confused about starting up applications... > (Bill Zimmerly) > 4. Re: Totally confused about starting up applications... > (Servilio Afre Puentes) > 5. Re: Totally confused about starting up applications... > (Stefan Reich?r) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:48:56 -0500 > From: Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> > To: Servilio Afre Puentes <afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> > Cc: StumpWM Developers <stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org> > Subject: Re: [STUMP] Totally confused about starting up > applications... > Message-ID: > < > cabyvin+yqzuy85zccyx_ppcureq4-k-y_ht+gdhw0ru4w1v...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you for the quick reply, Servilio! :) > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Servilio Afre Puentes < > afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> wrote: > > > Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Can someone show me some exact startup code that will do this? (See > > below) > > > > > > Workspace 1 (3 windows) > > > Top/Left = Xterm > > > Bottom/Left = Totem > > > Right = Firefox > > > > > > Workspace 2 (2 windows) > > > Left = Xterm > > > Right = Emacs > > > > Have taken a look to define-frame-preference? > > > I used the "define-frame-reference" code in the example file, but it > doesn't seem to do anything! Here is the code snippet and when the WM > starts up, I see -nothing- but a blank screen and a mouse pointer: > > ;;; Define window placement policy... > > ;; Clear rules > (clear-window-placement-rules) > > ;; Last rule to match takes precedence! > ;; TIP: if the argument to :title or :role begins with an ellipsis, a > substring > ;; match is performed. > ;; TIP: if the :create flag is set then a missing group will be created and > ;; restored from *data-dir*/create file. > ;; TIP: if the :restore flag is set then group dump is restored even for an > ;; existing group using *data-dir*/restore file. > (define-frame-preference "Default" > ;; frame raise lock (lock AND raise == jumpto) > (0 t nil :class "Konqueror" :role "...konqueror-mainwindow") > (1 t nil :class "XTerm")) > > (define-frame-preference "Ardour" > (0 t t :instance "ardour_editor" :type :normal) > (0 t t :title "Ardour - Session Control") > (0 nil nil :class "XTerm") > (1 t nil :type :normal) > (1 t t :instance "ardour_mixer") > (2 t t :instance "jvmetro") > (1 t t :instance "qjackctl") > (3 t t :instance "qjackctl" :role "qjackctlMainForm")) > > (define-frame-preference "Shareland" > (0 t nil :class "XTerm") > (1 nil t :class "aMule")) > > (define-frame-preference "Emacs" > (1 t t :restore "emacs-editing-dump" :title "...xdvi") > (0 t t :create "emacs-dump" :class "Emacs")) > > > > Servilio > > > > - Bill > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/stumpwm-devel/attachments/20130610/cee620b2/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:44:14 -0400 > From: Servilio Afre Puentes <afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> > To: Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> > Cc: StumpWM Developers <stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org> > Subject: Re: [STUMP] Totally confused about starting up > applications... > Message-ID: <871u89ajr5....@goose.csu.mcmaster.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Thank you for the quick reply, Servilio! :) > > You are welcome! > > [...] > > I used the "define-frame-reference" code in the example file, but it > > doesn't seem to do anything! Here is the code snippet and when the WM > > starts up, I see -nothing- but a blank screen and a mouse pointer: > [...] > > Are the groups without the :create flag already created? If they are, > have you checked the conditions (role, class, etc) actually match to the > ones that the application windows have? Also, I see that XTerm is > matched several times, have checked that not being a source of issues? > > Servilio > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:11:59 -0500 > From: Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> > To: Servilio Afre Puentes <afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> > Cc: StumpWM Developers <stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org> > Subject: Re: [STUMP] Totally confused about starting up > applications... > Message-ID: > < > cabyvinjzms+zlglsyvaey6lzmouo538jsc+fx-x4ejmvr8q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Servilio Afre Puentes < > afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> wrote: > > > Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Are the groups without the :create flag already created? > > > > How can I tell? > > Keep in mind that this is the only startup example in the doc directory, so > I'm given no instructions on what to do other than to rename it to > .stumpwmrc and start the WM. > > If I, for example, enter the Prefix-G command, all I see is a message that > says, "1*Default" appear on the screen for about five seconds. (???) What > next??? > > > > If they are, > > have you checked the conditions (role, class, etc) actually match to the > > ones that the application windows have? Also, I see that XTerm is > > matched several times, have checked that not being a source of issues? > > > > All that I did was to make sure that I have those programs installed > (XTerm, Ardour, aMule, etc.) > > > > Servilio > > > > Servilo, I appreciate your help, and when I finally get this thing working, > I'll be writing up step-by-step instructions that can be posted to the Wiki > about how to START using this tool. As it is, all we're given is an example > file for a .stumpwmrc, some very terse documentation, and a lot of email > messages archived. I use Google to try to find other information too. > > The problem with systems like this are that while it is relatively easy to > find snippets of information (code) to see how others do things, it is the > missing information that trips up people! Missing information such as you > pointed out - how was I to know that groups are supposed to be created > before running the example RC file the first time? > > This is how I will contribute back to the community, once I know how to do > it myself. > > - Bill > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/stumpwm-devel/attachments/20130610/183cfab5/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:16:10 -0400 > From: Servilio Afre Puentes <afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> > To: Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> > Cc: StumpWM Developers <stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org> > Subject: Re: [STUMP] Totally confused about starting up > applications... > Message-ID: <87y5ah93ph....@goose.csu.mcmaster.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Servilio Afre Puentes < > > afrep...@rhpcs.mcmaster.ca> wrote: > > > >> Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > > Are the groups without the :create flag already created? > >> > > > > How can I tell? > > > > Keep in mind that this is the only startup example in the doc directory, > so > > I'm given no instructions on what to do other than to rename it to > > .stumpwmrc and start the WM. > > > > If I, for example, enter the Prefix-G command, all I see is a message > that > > says, "1*Default" appear on the screen for about five seconds. (???) What > > next??? > > You have to create them manually before the use of > define-frame-preference. I have the following in my configuration file: > > (when *initializing* > (mapcar #'gnewbg > '( > "mail" > "org" > "chat" > "music" > "web" > "admin" > "devel" > "docs" > "monitoring" > ))) > > >> If they are, > >> have you checked the conditions (role, class, etc) actually match to the > >> ones that the application windows have? Also, I see that XTerm is > >> matched several times, have checked that not being a source of issues? > >> > > > > All that I did was to make sure that I have those programs installed > > (XTerm, Ardour, aMule, etc.) > > The info command is bound to ?C-t i?, showing the dimensions, window > number and title of the current window. I added the following: > > (define-key *root-map* (kbd "I") "info %g :: %r :: %c") > > To show the gravity, role and class. With this is easier to manually > write frame preferences by inspecting the windows you want to write > rules for. > > >> Servilio > > > > Servilo, I appreciate your help, and when I finally get this thing > working, > > I'll be writing up step-by-step instructions that can be posted to the > Wiki > > about how to START using this tool. As it is, all we're given is an > example > > file for a .stumpwmrc, some very terse documentation, and a lot of email > > messages archived. I use Google to try to find other information too. > > > > The problem with systems like this are that while it is relatively easy > to > > find snippets of information (code) to see how others do things, it is > the > > missing information that trips up people! Missing information such as you > > pointed out - how was I to know that groups are supposed to be created > > before running the example RC file the first time? > > > > This is how I will contribute back to the community, once I know how to > do > > it myself. > > That will be great! > > Servilio > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:27:55 +0200 > From: Stefan Reich?r <ste...@xsteve.at> > To: Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> > Cc: StumpWM Developers <stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org> > Subject: Re: [STUMP] Totally confused about starting up > applications... > Message-ID: <877gi1yddw....@xsteve.at> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Bill Zimmerly <billzimme...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Hello StumpWM Developers, > > > > My name is Bill Zimmerly and I am new to using this window manager. > > > > I think it shows tremendous promise as exactly the WM I've been looking > > for, but it's sometimes difficult to find the information I need to > modify > > it. > > > > So far, I have a good .stumpwmrc file that does a lot of what I want to > do > > in configuring stumpwm at startup, but there is one area that I find > > bewilderingly complex: startup applications and configuration of their > > windows! (Something that I can see is a STRENGTH of stumpwm, but I just > > can't seem to "grok" how.) > > > > Can someone show me some exact startup code that will do this? (See > below) > > > > Workspace 1 (3 windows) > > Top/Left = Xterm > > Bottom/Left = Totem > > Right = Firefox > > > > Workspace 2 (2 windows) > > Left = Xterm > > Right = Emacs > > > > I also get confused by what exactly a "group" is. I think it's the same > as > > a "workspace" in Gnome, for example, but I'm just not sure. > > Take a look at my configuration: > > http://www.xsteve.at/prg/stumpwm/ > > I don't start the applications at startup. However they are started > using run-or-raise when I first use them. I am happy with this approach. > > You could try to use run-shell-command to start an application. > > I use it for example to do this on startup: > > (run-shell-command "setxkbmap -model evdev") > > > > Stefan. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Stumpwm-devel mailing list > Stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel > > > End of Stumpwm-devel Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2 > ******************************************** >
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