If you find the time to find again my two emails of this thread from the archives, there are a lot of wireframes about statistics and a tons of other features.
There is even an idea for Lubomir regarding a map view... It's a shame that all of this get wasted. Not only because I spent a lot hours just to draw the mockups but just because after sometime new or old developers have to start again and again. I remember you even offer that statistics as GSOC. I realize that email is the wrong media for such things. Everything get lost and forgotten (as we). As I did with mobile UI. Give them a look: if you find some of them feasible, I will try to copy them as single pieces into Github. Bye On 17 March 2016 at 19:34, Davide DB <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tomaz, > > I'm reading your mail right now. Sorry or this. I completely lost of > sight Subsurface because I'm under pressure with my job. > > I promise you I will try to study again my ideas of one year ago and I > will give a feedback asap. > > Bye > > On 12 March 2016 at 20:56, Tomaz Canabrava <[email protected]> wrote: >> back on this thread after so long. >> (sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.) >> >> I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction >> is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed. >> >> I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment. >> >> Tomaz >> >> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC) >>> >>> Depth >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png >>> >>> Duration >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png >>> >>> SAC >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png >>> >>> A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type: >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png >>> >>> >>> Bye >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface >>> >> 4.4 >>> >> Did you check? >>> >> >>> > >>> > My fault :) >>> > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it! >>> > >>> >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When >>> >> > it >>> >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach >>> >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful. >>> >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose >>> >> > hence >>> >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them. >>> >> >>> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new >>> >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs, >>> >> more >>> >> testing... >>> >> >>> > >>> > I agree with you >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> > *Overall/General/Outline* >>> >> > >>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png >>> >> > >>> >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on >>> >> > the >>> >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :) >>> >> >>> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you... >>> >> >>> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab. >>> >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we >>> >> > could >>> >> > have here: >>> >> > >>> >> > - Num of dives (where/when) >>> >> > - Total time diving (where/when) >>> >> > - Max / Min duration (where/when) >>> >> > - Max / Min depth (where/when) >>> >> > - Max / Min temperature (where/when) >>> >> >>> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those? >>> > >>> > >>> > e.g. >>> > >>> > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015 >>> > >>> > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012 >>> > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010 >>> > >>> > And so on. >>> > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> > - Most dove spot/location >>> >> > - Average depth & average time >>> >> >>> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives, >>> >> or >>> >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion >>> >> before... >>> > >>> > >>> > I guess mean depth of all the dives. >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > - How many trips >>> >> > - Most used tank >>> >> > - >>> >> > - Total amount of gas used: >>> >> > - Air: xxx >>> >> > - He: yyy >>> >> > - O2: zzz >>> >> > >>> >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel >>> >> > view >>> >> > to >>> >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later) >>> >> >>> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text >>> >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in >>> >> a >>> >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not >>> >> to >>> >> have this 'overview'". >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I agree that mixing text info and a chart is not the best solution. >>> > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV >>> > with >>> > outline data. >>> > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use >>> > this like a badge. >>> > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network >>> > integration or even a front-page of html export. >>> > >>> > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm >>> > particulary >>> > fond of :) >>> > >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > *Map View* >>> >> > >>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw >>> >> > this >>> >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here >>> >> > in >>> >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location). >>> >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color >>> >> > bubble >>> >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is >>> >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap. >>> >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more >>> >> > examples >>> >> > if >>> >> > you are interested. >>> >> >>> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want >>> >> this >>> >> one. >>> >> >>> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot >>> >> > view >>> >> > like >>> >> > our current Marble map. >>> >> >>> >> Yes! >>> >> >>> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover >>> >> > on >>> >> > a >>> >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details. >>> >> >>> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot? >>> > >>> > >>> > Try for yourself: >>> > >>> > http://www.diveboard.com/explore >>> > >>> > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on >>> > the >>> > map layer. >>> > >>> > THis is a news site: >>> > >>> > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/ >>> > >>> > Maybe it is a google map api >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> > *Time goes by view* >>> >> > >>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png >>> >> > >>> >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical >>> >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time. >>> >> > >>> >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for >>> >> > months >>> >> > and years. >>> >> > >>> >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts: >>> >> > micro >>> >> > columns/bar charts. >>> >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart). >>> >> > >>> >> > Our chart would have: >>> >> > >>> >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars >>> >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of >>> >> > gray) >>> >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray. >>> >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with >>> >> > most/least >>> >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example. >>> >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info >>> >> > box >>> >> > like the current dive profile. >>> >> >>> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive >>> >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm >>> >> mis-judging >>> >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting >>> >> and >>> >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what >>> >> not. >>> > >>> > >>> > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place. >>> > I will try to sketch it. >>> > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a >>> >> > bar >>> >> > of a >>> >> > special color. >>> >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position. >>> >> > >>> >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)* >>> >> > >>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png >>> >> > >>> >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting >>> >> > depth >>> >> > and duration both on x and y-axis... >>> >> > >>> >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless >>> >> > while >>> >> > having them on x-axis is useful. >>> >> > >>> >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os >>> >> > gas >>> >> > consumption through experience. >>> >> > >>> >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two >>> >> > charts >>> >> > just >>> >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis. >>> >> >>> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has >>> >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem >>> >> obvious and easy to do. >>> >> >>> > >>> > Ok, I'll try >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> > *Pie view* >>> >> > >>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png >>> >> > >>> >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here. >>> >> > I found: >>> >> > >>> >> > - Deco/Curve >>> >> > - Ripetitive dive Y/n >>> >> > - Sea/Fresh water dive >>> >> > - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive >>> >> > - DC Model >>> >> > - Countries >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to >>> >> be. >>> >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't >>> >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs. >>> >> incremental effort don't look promising. >>> > >>> > >>> > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives >>> > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in >>> > you >>> > career? >>> > >>> > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) ) >>> > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is >>> > somewhat >>> > a "fluff". >>> > It's like a selfie. >>> > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with >>> > anal-retentive thinking :) >>> > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log >>> > their dives but maybe I'm wrong. >>> > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time >>> > compiling >>> > logbooks? >>> > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb >>> > divers. >>> > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their >>> > statistics. >>> > >>> > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger >>> > joe >>> > :) >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible >>> >> > to >>> >> > calculate or display. >>> >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning. >>> >> >>> >> Can you give examples? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one >>> > dive, what do you pretend to see? >>> > >>> > Bye >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Davide >>> > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Davide >>> https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos >> >> > > > > -- > Davide > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos -- Davide https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos _______________________________________________ subsurface mailing list [email protected] http://lists.subsurface-divelog.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/subsurface
